I knew I was missing something.... I'll fix it.

Quote:IMHO Iraq is making it much more likely that we will be hit again. We are enflaming an entire region with our prescence there. 80% of Iraqi's no longer want us there. 61% of Shia.... yes Shia thinks it's ok to attack and kill us. Yeah, Shia the ones who we supposedly liberated. Give Motaqada Al-Sadr back to Saddam. They deserve each other.

The fact that we were hit on 9/11 leads me to disagree with this. They obviously didn't need us in Iraq to hit us on 9/11 since we weren't and they did. The region has been enflamed for decades. Us going into Iraq didn't suddenly cause it.

Quote:It's not Al-Queada who is causing our "MAIN" problems over there.

I would agree to an extent, however that is where Al Queda is engaging us. They understand what a free Iraq would mean to their ability to gain power therefore they are fighting us there. Bin Laden himself has called Iraq the central front. If we just up and leave there before the job is done Al Queda won't just stop. They'll simply follow us here.

Al-Quaeda is based on the Muslim faith as the KKK is based in Christianity. They both use their select scriptures to back up their points. The war in Iraq has been a boom for their recruitment. Don't ake my word for it. That's the intel that was leaked about a month ago. (Something the old Dogger always suspected though"

You know what's crazy abouit this is their are no "GOOD" answers anymore. Giving the keys back to Saddam may be our out.

Machiavelli Wrote:Al-Quaeda is based on the Muslim faith as the KKK is based in Christianity. They both use their select scriptures to back up their points. The war in Iraq has been a boom for their recruitment. Don't ake my word for it. That's the intel that was leaked about a month ago. (Something the old Dogger always suspected though"

You know what's crazy abouit this is their are no "GOOD" answers anymore. Giving the keys back to Saddam may be our out.

Soooooo, why is it again that you are against wiping them off the face of the Earth? Also, if you can't see the similarities and connections between Al Qaeda, Hizbollah, Hamas, Islami Jihad, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, etc., etc., they you are taking a very ignorant stand on the situation.

Machiavelli Wrote:Al-Quaeda is based on the Muslim faith as the KKK is based in Christianity.

I have no idea what this has to do with anything, but I would disagree very much with this characterization. They are not the same. Al-Queda are muslims, Wahabists to be specific. There is nothing christian about the KKK or what they stand for.

Quote:The war in Iraq has been a boom for their recruitment.

Going into Afghanistan was a boom for their recruitment as well. Contrary to some people's belief it doesn't take much for Al Queda to recruit. Had we never gone into Iraq they would still be recruiting in high numbers, and the decisions as to how this country should defend itself cannot be governed by the worry that our enemys won't like us for doing it.

Quote:You know what's crazy abouit this is their are no "GOOD" answers anymore. Giving the keys back to Saddam may be our out.

I agree, but the keys aren't going back to Saddam.

Your playing checkers when you should be at least thinking chess. Hamas and Hizbollah are two sides of a coin. They have REAL differences and an intelligent dialogue should try to play on these differences. Have you ever read any Friedman? From Beirut to Jurasalem? Lexus and the Olive Tree? They were required reading in a M.S. class of mine.

You paint with too broad of a brush.

Quote:I have no idea what this has to do with anything, but I would disagree very much with this characterization. They are not the same. Al-Queda are muslims, Wahabists to be specific. There is nothing christian about the KKK or what they stand for.

In one of those moonbat sites that I like to read someone used this comparison. I thought it was a good correlation. Some hate groups always use the bible to justify positions. Maybe we should ask endzone if he has ever been to some meeting for a little intel.

Machiavelli Wrote:Your playing checkers when you should be at least thinking chess. Hamas and Hizbollah are two sides of a coin. They have REAL differences and an intelligent dialogue should try to play on these differences. Have you ever read any Friedman? From Beirut to Jurasalem? Lexus and the Olive Tree? They were required reading in a M.S. class of mine.

You paint with too broad of a brush.

...and you're playing with Legos, when you should be playing with Lincoln Logs.

Israel has given in to the Palestinians over and over and over. What do they get in return? Bombed. Attacked. Kidnapped. Shelled. The Palestinian militants are no different than any other militant Muslim group. They want total control. They want you to submit to Islam, become subservient, or die. That's your three choices. Moderate Muslims? Well, I'll start taking THEM serious when they are major players. As of right now, they aren't and I'm not going to bet my freedom and security on what "could be".

Machiavelli Wrote:In one of those moonbat sites that I like to read someone used this comparison. I thought it was a good correlation. Some hate groups always use the bible to justify positions. Maybe we should ask endzone if he has ever been to some meeting for a little intel.

Hate groups that claim to be Christians-----ostracized by the majority of Christians

Hate groups that claim to be Muslims------ {crickets chirping}

The KKK was found based on principles in the Bible, but those principles are not Christian principles. Most of what they use is in the Old Testament. Most of the separatists principles that they use to justify their hate is undone in the New Testament.

Lincoln Logs and Legos are of the same complexity.... thereby rejecting your null hypothesis

I say leave at let Israel do as they please in that part of the world.

fsquid Wrote:I say leave at let Israel do as they please in that part of the world.

Then what? We pull back to our own confines? You do know that they WILL come after us here, don't you? Of course, with liberals in charge, we can't profile, can't listen in on their conversations, and must afford them the same rights as Grandma.

Liberals won't us to come back home, but they offer us no plan on protecting the country.