The facts are against him. All our presidents have been men from a Protestant English-Scotch-Welsh-Irish background. Only Catholic Kennedy and German Eisenhower have broken that pattern. Would America be ready for an Italian-American president? I seriously doubt that society is ready at all for a female or an African American president but how ready are we to cross ethnic lines?

moloch_322 Wrote:The facts are against him. All our presidents have been men from a Protestant English-Scotch-Welsh-Irish background. Only Catholic Kennedy and German Eisenhower have broken that pattern. Would America be ready for an Italian-American president? I seriously doubt that society is ready at all for a female or an African American president but how ready are we to cross ethnic lines?

Ahh, but what about an African-American woman that was adopted by an Italian father and Scottish-Irish mother? Hmmmm........

Do white people everywhere outside of East Texas keep up with this?

I could ask a woman in Kilgore (where I was raised) with the last name Fitzgerald about her ancestry and she would say "I don't know. I am a mutt" But when I was in Michigan and asked a woman with the last name Hemstra about her ancestry and I would get a half hour essay about being Dutch and Irish on her fathers side while her mother';s side is English, German with a little bit of Welsh thrown in.

That's crazy

I say why not Guiliani.....

If he is running against Hillary, I would vote for him in a second. Quite frankly I dont care about your ethnic background, race or sex, as long as your policies are in line with what I believe in.
I think he will have a huge obstacle being Pro-Choice. Unfortunately the Republican Party has kind of locked itself into that paradigm.
Everybody seems to be in love with Obama and if he ran with Oprah they would probably win in a landslide so I am not so sure how much skin color means now a days except for the few remaining card carrying idiots.

uhmump95 Wrote:Do white people everywhere outside of East Texas keep up with this?

I could ask a woman in Kilgore (where I was raised) with the last name Fitzgerald about her ancestry and she would say "I don't know. I am a mutt" But when I was in Michigan and asked a woman with the last name Hemstra about her ancestry and I would get a half hour essay about being Dutch and Irish on her fathers side while her mother';s side is English, German with a little bit of Welsh thrown in.

That's crazy

I say why not Guiliani.....

I would love to have the opportunity to vote for Condi, but people are saying she isn't black enough. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

ShoreBuc Wrote:If he is running against Hillary, I would vote for him in a second. Quite frankly I dont care about your ethnic background, race or sex, as long as your policies are in line with what I believe in.
I think he will have a huge obstacle being Pro-Choice. Unfortunately the Republican Party has kind of locked itself into that paradigm.
Everybody seems to be in love with Obama and if he ran with Oprah they would probably win in a landslide so I am not so sure how much skin color means now a days except for the few remaining card carrying idiots.

I'd vote for RobertN over Hillary.

This White Anglo Saxon Protestant would vote for Condi in a heart beat.

ShoreBuc Wrote:I am not so sure how much skin color means now a days except for the few remaining card carrying idiots.

I think that there are much more than a few card carrying idiots that still consider religion, race, sex, and ethnicity a very important factor in electing a politician - especially for president.

RebelKev Wrote:

ShoreBuc Wrote:If he is running against Hillary, I would vote for him in a second. Quite frankly I dont care about your ethnic background, race or sex, as long as your policies are in line with what I believe in.
I think he will have a huge obstacle being Pro-Choice. Unfortunately the Republican Party has kind of locked itself into that paradigm.
Everybody seems to be in love with Obama and if he ran with Oprah they would probably win in a landslide so I am not so sure how much skin color means now a days except for the few remaining card carrying idiots.

I'd vote for RobertN over Hillary.

lmfao lmfao I think I would too

ShoreBuc Wrote:This White Anglo Saxon Protestant would vote for Condi in a heart beat.

She was traded in the racial draft, so she's not black anyway.

uhmump95 Wrote:I say why not Guiliani.....

Can anyone tell me what, outside of 9/11, would make Rudi a viable option for president? He's basically Joe Lieberman on the issues and he's as liberal as the day is long on social issues.

The memory of 9/11 has faded enough to the electorate to where doing well when it happened isn't going to motivate them to vote for someone. And Rudy's best day was 9/11.

I don't believe he can win the primary.

Ninerfan1 Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:I say why not Guiliani.....

Can anyone tell me what, outside of 9/11, would make Rudi a viable option for president? He's basically Joe Lieberman on the issues and he's as liberal as the day is long on social issues.

I don't believe he can win the primary.

He did a damn good job in New York City after Dinkins incompetence.

RebelKev Wrote:

Ninerfan1 Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:I say why not Guiliani.....

Can anyone tell me what, outside of 9/11, would make Rudi a viable option for president? He's basically Joe Lieberman on the issues and he's as liberal as the day is long on social issues.

I don't believe he can win the primary.

He did a damn good job in New York City after Dinkins incompetence.

At what Kev? I'll give him cleaning up the streets and dealing with crime, but going hard on crime doesn't get you elected president.

He's pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro embryonic stem cell research. Does someone like that get the republican nomination? I know I wouldn't vote for him in a primary and it would be hard to in a general.

RebelKev Wrote:

ShoreBuc Wrote:If he is running against Hillary, I would vote for him in a second. Quite frankly I dont care about your ethnic background, race or sex, as long as your policies are in line with what I believe in.
I think he will have a huge obstacle being Pro-Choice. Unfortunately the Republican Party has kind of locked itself into that paradigm.
Everybody seems to be in love with Obama and if he ran with Oprah they would probably win in a landslide so I am not so sure how much skin color means now a days except for the few remaining card carrying idiots.

I'd vote for RobertN over Hillary.

given the choice i'd vote for mickey mouse before these two ;-) lmfao

Ninerfan1 Wrote:At what Kev? I'll give him cleaning up the streets and dealing with crime, but going hard on crime doesn't get you elected president.

He's pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro embryonic stem cell research. Does someone like that get the republican nomination? I know I wouldn't vote for him in a primary and it would be hard to in a general.

Damn man, I didn't say "I'd" vote for him. I just said he was good for NYC. What's good for NYC isn't necessarily good for Birmingham, Al.

RebelKev Wrote:

Ninerfan1 Wrote:At what Kev? I'll give him cleaning up the streets and dealing with crime, but going hard on crime doesn't get you elected president.

He's pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro embryonic stem cell research. Does someone like that get the republican nomination? I know I wouldn't vote for him in a primary and it would be hard to in a general.

Damn man, I didn't say "I'd" vote for him. I just said he was good for NYC. What's good for NYC isn't necessarily good for Birmingham, Al.

I wasn't saying you would. I was just asking what he did that was good.

In the end I don't think Rudi can get the nod. I like him national defense and taxes, but past that I don't agree with him on much.

Ninerfan1 Wrote:He's pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro embryonic stem cell research. Does someone like that get the republican nomination? I know I wouldn't vote for him in a primary and it would be hard to in a general.

As a moderate, I think he is perfect! Let the person decide how to live his/her own life! Stem cell research?!? You mean we might be able to find a cure for alzheizers, parkinsons, or the dozens of other diseases that cause nerve and brain cells to to die? How terrible!

However, with the current republican "base" being so far right leaning I can't help but agree, he would have a lot of trouble getting the nomination. He would, however, guarantee a republican president being inaugurated in January of 2009, IMHO.

mlb Wrote:As a moderate, I think he is perfect! Let the person decide how to live his/her own life! Stem cell research?!? You mean we might be able to find a cure for alzheizers, parkinsons, or the dozens of other diseases that cause nerve and brain cells to to die? How terrible!

However, with the current republican "base" being so far right leaning I can't help but agree, he would have a lot of trouble getting the nomination. He would, however, guarantee a republican president being inaugurated in January of 2009, IMHO.

Conservatives aren't against stem cell research. Where do you get your facts? They are against harvesting embryos for the soul purpose of being stem cell machines. Also, there is a dark side to that science. Many are finding tumors associated with it. Trust me, the market will take care of this problem with adult stem cells. This current issue is one pushed by the abortion crowd.

RebelKev Wrote:Conservatives aren't against stem cell research. Where do you get your facts? They are against harvesting embryos for the soul purpose of being stem cell machines. Also, there is a dark side to that science. Many are finding tumors associated with it. Trust me, the market will take care of this problem with adult stem cells. This current issue is one pushed by the abortion crowd.

While we wait to get a working strain of adult stem cells scientists don't make the significant progress that could have been happening for years. The limited number of stem cells that were in "stock" (already had been harvested) before Bush signed the deal tying 1 hand behind their back has held back these scientists by years.

mlb Wrote:While we wait to get a working strain of adult stem cells scientists don't make the significant progress that could have been happening for years. The limited number of stem cells that were in "stock" (already had been harvested) before Bush signed the deal tying 1 hand behind their back has held back these scientists by years.

Man, I'm fairly liberal on social issues, but no way in HELL will I ever support harvesting an embryo's stem cells. That's a little too much Nazi Germany for this Southerner to handle.

Besides, can you show me a success from it? I can show you several from adult. Face it, just like any other government handout, these "researchers" are pushing this to get government funding. They can't make it any other way because the corporate world works on success. Adult stem cell research IS funded by corporate America. Ever though about that?