Machiavelli Wrote:I just told you above. I've had three former students serve in Iraq honorably.

Damn, has the President called you as an advisor yet?

BTW, see what you guys are going to miss?

Quote:Damn, has the President called you as an advisor yet?

No but maybe he should of. I promise you he wouldn't of had a 29% approval rating this summer.

ah but what about that coach guy that knows kung fu.

Talk now is that Bolton may be next. I think that would be a bad move. The guy has done well at the UN. He'd have been confirmed had Chafee not put a hold on his vote.

that's right. He has never been confirmed. He will be out. My aunt has a good friend who works for Bolton. Not that any of you should care about that, but Aunt Lou will be upset.

Machiavelli Wrote:that's right. He has never been confirmed. He will be out. My aunt has a good friend who works for Bolton. Not that any of you should care about that, but Aunt Lou will be upset.

Send Aunt Lou my condolences.

Will do Bud.

Machiavelli Wrote:Reb,

Tone down the Rhetoric..... The whole country can see the war was clusterfcked from the begining. Do you remember the you go to war with the Army you have and not the one you want line. Well you better *** **** go prepared when you choose the time and place.

Armored humvees
Post construction plans on the back of a cocktail napkin
not enough troops to win the peace

these are the things I feel we botched in Iraq.

Funny thing about war, things don't always go according to plan. Good thing they weren't broadcasting D-day or we would have had to pull the troops off Omaha beach when casualties reached a certain point instead of finishing the job.

RebelKev Wrote:So, are you saying those quotes by the Iraqi official are lies?

Yeah, but we're supposed to take the bullspit from NYT, et al, and then ask for seconds.

Nope, but if you're going to cite media bias it might be better to find a source that isn't blatantly biased. I'm sure, like here, you're going to find people on both sides of the issues in Iraq.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, get your news from multiple sources.

bearcat65 Wrote:Funny thing about war, things don't always go according to plan. Good thing they weren't broadcasting D-day or we would have had to pull the troops off Omaha beach when casualties reached a certain point instead of finishing the job.

We'd have never made it to Omaha. Operation Overlord would have been leaked and been out in the papers in May and when asked about it they'd scream freedom of the press.

Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:Nope, but if you're going to cite media bias it might be better to find a source that isn't blatantly biased. I'm sure, like here, you're going to find people on both sides of the issues in Iraq.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, get your news from multiple sources.

How about from Iraqi's themselves? You seem to think I've been sitting on my ass here in Georgia for the past 5 years.

RebelKev Wrote:

bearcat65 Wrote:Funny thing about war, things don't always go according to plan. Good thing they weren't broadcasting D-day or we would have had to pull the troops off Omaha beach when casualties reached a certain point instead of finishing the job.

We'd have never made it to Omaha. Operation Overlord would have been leaked and been out in the papers in May and when asked about it they'd scream freedom of the press.

Too true. We'd have brought them home after the Kasserine Pass fiasco.

bearcat65 Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:

bearcat65 Wrote:Funny thing about war, things don't always go according to plan. Good thing they weren't broadcasting D-day or we would have had to pull the troops off Omaha beach when casualties reached a certain point instead of finishing the job.

We'd have never made it to Omaha. Operation Overlord would have been leaked and been out in the papers in May and when asked about it they'd scream freedom of the press.

Too true. We'd have brought them home after the Kasserine Pass fiasco.

Yep, right after they ran the news reel of a german sniper killing one of our soldiers. Cause you know, that's news.

bearcat65 Wrote:Too true. We'd have brought them home after the Kasserine Pass fiasco.

....and a few years before that we'd have been trying to appease the Japanese and find out why they didn't like us.

RebelKev Wrote:

bearcat65 Wrote:Too true. We'd have brought them home after the Kasserine Pass fiasco.

....and a few years before that we'd have been trying to appease the Japanese and find out why they didn't like us.

Of course, I mean after all it was our foreign policy that forced them to attack Pearl Harbor. Had we given them what they wanted they would never had attacked.

RebelKev Wrote:How about from Iraqi's themselves? You seem to think I've been sitting on my ass here in Georgia for the past 5 years.

You seem to think that you're the only person I know who has been to Iraq. And you also seem to think that one Kurdish leader is representative of all of Iraq. I know that there are opinions on many different sides in Iraq.

bearcat65 Wrote:Of course, I mean after all it was our foreign policy that forced them to attack Pearl Harbor. Had we given them what they wanted they would never had attacked.

I know. We were such odious bastards. How dare us for cutting off the oil to their war machine. All they wanted to do was control the Pacific and Southwest Asia. Damn we can be cruel.

RebelKev Wrote:

bearcat65 Wrote:Of course, I mean after all it was our foreign policy that forced them to attack Pearl Harbor. Had we given them what they wanted they would never had attacked.

I know. We were such odious bastards. How dare us for cutting off the oil to their war machine. All they wanted to do was control the Pacific and Southwest Asia. Damn we can be cruel.

I guess we'll never learn that the only time to fight someone is when they show up on our soil.