Where do you righties stand on that. I believe you should use a tax cut to stimulate an economy, but there should be some sort of fiscal disciplne. Something about spending more than you can bring in doesn't sit well with me and it shouldn't sit well with conservatives either. When Delay said after 12 years of Republican control we have finally cut the pork to the bone all of us should of been up in arms. I read Niner's Motley article about the deficit, but it seems a little like whistling past the graveyard to me. Do you guy's remember the socialist argument we had that one time. Ahhh I look back on it with fond memories.

Machiavelli Wrote:We hashed and rehashed this idea 2 years ago, but we should really overhaul the entire federal tax. Instead of taxing income we should be taxing spending. Give a break to the people 10% over and at or below the poverty line or something along those lines. Our tax code is antiquated.

I say a national sales tax, exempting groceries, gasoline and medicines.


But some Democrat would screw it up, proposing an extra tax on....something, anything. Boats, cars, diapers, whatever is politically expedient. Add more and more special taxes, eventually we are back more or less to where we are.

My personal feeling is that you should avoid deficit spending except in times of war or recession. I also believe that spending should always be cut outside those times before taxes are raised.

But deficit spending isn't always a bad thing.

Machiavelli Wrote:I believe you should use a tax cut to stimulate an economy, but there should be some sort of fiscal disciplne.

That pretty much sums up what us "righties" think. Take less, spend less, have a Merry Christmas.

But once the economy is stmulated than the tax cuts should go away. Use the cuts for a stimulus. You know over the summer when the gas prices were so high, that acted like a tax. We still made it through OK. Now why don't we tax it again for a year or so when it's down to 2.10 a gallon. Pay off the debt, I'm happy, the country is happy.

Machiavelli Wrote:But once the economy is stmulated than the tax cuts should go away. Use the cuts for a stimulus. You know over the summer when the gas prices were so high, that acted like a tax. We still made it through OK. Now why don't we tax it again for a year or so when it's down to 2.10 a gallon. Pay off the debt, I'm happy, the country is happy.

The country is never happy when you take more of their money away.

And as we've seen, tax revenues actually go up when taxes are cut because the economy generates more revenue to be taxed. The economy is consumer driven and it always performs better when consumers get to keep more of their money.

You know I don't show a deaf ear to that argument. But I see our deficit sky rocketing. Even take out the Iraq and Afghanistan spending and the deficit is going crazy. Another reason you can't trust these s.o.b.'s is they exagerate where they think the deficit will be. Let's say they think it's going to come in at 350 billion. They tell you it's going to be 420 billion. When it comes in at 370, the blowhards say, "hey look, it's 70 billion short of our estimate". The tax cuts and our policies are obviously working. You just can't trust em' I tell ya.

Owl,

TAX the oil.... and TAX it hard!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's how the Euro's have socialized medicine. I just didn't go there did I. You guys do know that's a big reason (not the only)why Japan and soon to be China is mopping the UAW.

Machiavelli Wrote:Owl,

TAX the oil.... and TAX it hard!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's how the Euro's have socialized medicine. I just didn't go there did I. You guys do know that's a big reason (not the only)why Japan and soon to be China is mopping the UAW.

I guess you like paying $7/gal. What a champion of the people you are.

Raise to cost of living to make bad medicine available to more people more slowly.

Sure, let's tax all the domestic companies until they close their doors. That will teach those bastards to make a profit. Then let's cry about the unemplyment that causes and blame it on outsourcing. all you are going to outsourse is our oil industry.



I know you're a teacher, but isn't your retiement invested in anything?

Taxing oil might be an option if our public transportation was as good as those in the cities of Europe.

Fanatical Wrote:Taxing oil might be an option if our public transportation was as good as those in the cities of Europe.

Not even then unless you don't eat or have the ability to be self sufficient at growing your own food. It takes fuel to grow, harvest, and distribute food. With the transformation of the country's agriculture to large farms and corporate farms the product travels farther to make it to markets. Increase that cost and you increase the price you pay for groceries.

bearcat65 Wrote:

Fanatical Wrote:Taxing oil might be an option if our public transportation was as good as those in the cities of Europe.

Not even then unless you don't eat or have the ability to be self sufficient at growing your own food. It takes fuel to grow, harvest, and distribute food. With the transformation of the country's agriculture to large farms and corporate farms the product travels farther to make it to markets. Increase that cost and you increase the price you pay for groceries.

This is the problem I see with liberalism - they only look at most one step ahead, miss the collateral and long-range implications of their knee-jerk policies. Machiavelli illustrates this lack of foresight perfectly with his tax the oil program.