Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:DrTorch, you claim to want to push good science, but then come up with stuff that is just wrong.

I'm not going to argue this anymore because I've done it before many times and my answer's going to be check out [url=http://www.talkorigins.org/"]Talk Origins[/url]. That has everything that most people would ever want to know about evolution. If you're not going to accept what is said there, there isn't anything I'm going to do to convince you. You've already made up your mind.

Talk Origins is a bunch of folks posting their opinions. Some of it is interesting, much of it is hype.

Just b/c it's on the internet, doesn't make it true.

lmfao Oh man, this is a funny thread. But i think the most important idea to take away from it is that very old species can still exist. This crab shrimp isn't the first time we've found an ancient species thought to be extinct. What it shows us though is that animals and plants don't always have to evolve; if they are living dandy in their enviroment then there is no reason to change what ain't broken. But we live on a dynamic and changing planet and more often than not adaptation is necessary for survival.

Just because life can evolve doesn't mean it has to; otherwise we'ld have no "primitive" life such as sponges, fungi or ameoba.

Fanatical Wrote:lmfao Oh man, this is a funny thread. But i think the most important idea to take away from it is that very old species can still exist. This crab shrimp isn't the first time we've found an ancient species thought to be extinct. What it shows us though is that animals and plants don't always have to evolve; if they are living dandy in their enviroment then there is no reason to change what ain't broken. But we live on a dynamic and changing planet and more often than not adaptation is necessary for survival.

Just because life can evolve doesn't mean it has to; otherwise we'ld have no "primitive" life such as sponges, fungi or ameoba.

I saw Steven J Gould speak about 10 years ago, and this was one of his gripes. The images associated w/ teaching evolutionary theory often portrayed the older species as non-existent. The take-away message, even if unintended, was that only the evolved species would survive and exist. When in fact what is happening is a diversity of species is propagating.

However, the irony is that evolutionary theory depends on natural selection, and one species IS supposed to prevail.

The final point is, that even the strongest advocates for evolutionary theory (or one of a bunch of contradicting theories) are willing to waffle back and forth in public.

Evolutionary theory, as it's believed and taught today, is a cacophony of conflicting, unsupported ideas. It is not derived from the evidence at hand, rather the evidence is contorted to fit poorly conceived ideas based on a materialistic philosophy.

We are back in the age of alchemy.

Fanatical Wrote:lmfao Oh man, this is a funny thread. But i think the most important idea to take away from it is that very old species can still exist. This crab shrimp isn't the first time we've found an ancient species thought to be extinct. What it shows us though is that animals and plants don't always have to evolve; if they are living dandy in their enviroment then there is no reason to change what ain't broken. But we live on a dynamic and changing planet and more often than not adaptation is necessary for survival.

Just because life can evolve doesn't mean it has to; otherwise we'ld have no "primitive" life such as sponges, fungi or ameoba.

whats that jointed fish called. damn i saw a program on it the other day.

Tulsaman Wrote:

Fanatical Wrote:lmfao Oh man, this is a funny thread. But i think the most important idea to take away from it is that very old species can still exist. This crab shrimp isn't the first time we've found an ancient species thought to be extinct. What it shows us though is that animals and plants don't always have to evolve; if they are living dandy in their enviroment then there is no reason to change what ain't broken. But we live on a dynamic and changing planet and more often than not adaptation is necessary for survival.

Just because life can evolve doesn't mean it has to; otherwise we'ld have no "primitive" life such as sponges, fungi or ameoba.

whats that jointed fish called. damn i saw a program on it the other day.

Is that the celecanth?

yeah i think thats it.

coelacanth < actual name

Quote:Living fossil
The Coelacanth specimen caught in 1938 is still considered to be the zoological find of the century. This 'living fossil' comes from a lineage of fishes that was thought to have been extinct since the time of the dinosaurs.

Coelacanths are known from the fossil record dating back over 360 million years, with a peak in abundance about 240 million years ago. Before 1938 they were believed to have become extinct approximately 80 million years ago, when they disappeared from the fossil record.

How could Coelacanths disappear for over 80 million years and then turn up alive and well in the twentieth century? The answer seems to be that the Coelacanths from the fossil record lived in environments favouring fossilisation. Modern Coelacanths, both in the Comoros and Sulawesi were found in environments that do not favour fossil formation. They inhabit caves and overhangs in near vertical marine reefs, at about 200 m depth, off newly formed volcanic islands.

The discovery by science of the Coelacanth in 1938 caused so much excitement because at that time Coelacanths were thought to be the ancestors of the tetrapods (land-living animals, including humans). It is now believed that Lungfishes are the closest living relative of tetrapods. The Coelacanth may still provide answers to some very interesting evolutionary questions

http://www.amonline.net.au/fishes/fishfa.../coela.htm

http://www.k-state.edu/sasw/comoros/soni...acanth.jpg < look at that kids face shes like OMG WTF lmfao

Endzone2 Wrote:We are told by these wackos that it took gazillions of years of mutations for us to get to humans. Alright, how can a woman start with one cell and form a perfect human in baby form in 9 months? You're talking trillions of cells with thousands of unique functions and interactions with other cells that make up more complex structures, etc. The brain alone has billions of neurons that cane form almost unlimited combinations of synapsis. How can evolution put this altogether in 9 months when its M.O. is chaos and mutation and chance? Please explain. If you say that some how evolution is smart enough to build in a computer to make all this function then isn't that going against the M.O. of evolution which is random chance? The best supercompter in the world could not keep track of how to make a baby in 9 months. How can evolution do it? Is evolution also a god? You may say, "well it's in the genes". O.K. fine, the plans to my house are in the blueprints, but just putting the blueprints on the land that my house is going to be built on doesn't build the house. How does the one cell become a baby? What force is at work? It surely isn't random chance which is what this theory is based on.

How can a baby grow to a adult in 18 years? How do all those cells reproduce themselves in the right proportions? How did evolution solve that when everything happens by chance in evolution?

Nobody in their right mind can possibly believe in this complete idiotic nonsense. An 8th grader can figure out it's a lie. People who relentlessly cling to this theory just refuse to serve God or submit themselves to Him and so they cling to this total fantasy to make themselves feel better. Then they want everybody else to agree with them so they can make themselves feel even better. They come out with even more outrageous claims just pulled out of thin air.

Gestation is not evolution, anymore than than a pan of batter "evolves" into a cake in the oven.

edit: IMO, neither the babyin the womb or the cake in the oven is created or evolved.

i think batter forms to a cake pan but thats just my observation.

OptimisticOwl Wrote:a pan of batter "evolves" into a cake in the oven.

Now that is evolution that we all can sink our teeth into.

GrayBeard Wrote:

OptimisticOwl Wrote:a pan of batter "evolves" into a cake in the oven.

Now that is evolution that we all can sink our teeth into.

but with what kind of frosting so many choices.

Tulsaman Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:

OptimisticOwl Wrote:a pan of batter "evolves" into a cake in the oven.

Now that is evolution that we all can sink our teeth into.

but with what kind of frosting so many choices.

We need a diversity of choices.

so strawberry frosting?

Tulsaman Wrote:so strawberry frosting?

My stepson just had a bday w/ strawberry cake and buttercreme frosting. It was pretty good.

My MIL had suggested a whipped cream/"cool whip" frosting w/ berries in it. That sounded good to me too, but my wife already had the other.

screw the cake just give me the cool whip.

Tulsaman Wrote:screw the cake just give me the cool whip.

woot....

HAHAHA! I love how this has become a culinary discussion! lmfao

Let me guess: we've found remains of upside-down fruitcake in the the Grand Canyon that are millions of years old.

T-Monay820 Wrote:HAHAHA! I love how this has become a culinary discussion! lmfao

Let me guess: we've found remains of upside-down fruitcake in the the Grand Canyon that are millions of years old.

Neandrathal man had to throw that cake from his mother-in-law somewhere!!

blah Wrote:

T-Monay820 Wrote:HAHAHA! I love how this has become a culinary discussion! lmfao

Let me guess: we've found remains of upside-down fruitcake in the the Grand Canyon that are millions of years old.

Neandrathal man had to throw that cake from his mother-in-law somewhere!!

Of course that was back when the Grand Canyon was know as Little Creek.

Little Creek?

i thought it was Little trickle

Another thing I don't understand about evolution. If we all just evolved from the same blob millions of years ago, how did the blob know to make boys like boys and girls like girls. I mean, you know, how did evolution know to make the boy kind of like fit into the girl--do you know what I mean? I mean I know there are different sizes, and all (don't know if that is part of evolution) but how did evolution know to make boys like boys and girls like girls? We all evolved from the same blob didn't we? Does anybody know what I'm talking about with the boys n girls thing? ;-)