Sophandros Wrote:Again, you guys don't get it. Here's an entry from Wiki about White Privilege:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privi...ciology%29

Most of us, since most of us here are male, also enjoy what is called Male Privilege, which is to say that even if we personally are not sexist or misogynist, we still benefit from sexism and misogyny within our society.

When I discuss racial issues, I'm not talking about Jim Crow stuff. Rather, I'm talking about subtle things that, when you open your eyes to them, you'll find that you understand people more than you thought.

"Privilege" is NOT restricted to the economic status of a person. In the sociological sense, it means much, much more.

Things are getting much better, there is no doubting that. And yes, the biggest hurdle that all Americans face is socio-economic and class oriented. However, to tuck our heads in the sand and ignore sexism and racism is a HUGE mistake that will eventually bite us.

Ohhh, well, if it's Wikipedia........

Endzone2 Wrote:The only thing keeping the black man down is an outrageous sense of entitlement and special privledge compliments of the U.S. federal government. This more than anything is keeping the black man down because he does not play by the same rules as everyone else. Hence you have a very high crime rate and irresponsible (absent) fathers in the black community. If you really want to know what is keeping the black man down it is the democrats in congress who want to own your vote and thereby keep you enslaved to an attitude of entitlement and all the bad stuff that goes with it. To blame whites for the failures in the black community or individual blacks is a lie.

Damn, that's going to leave a mark.

Nicely phrased, very succinct. Get this message across and you will have made the world a better place.

GrayBeard Wrote:Well, not by the looks of this article.

Black business owners on rise

Quote:The report, "Survey of Business Owners: Black-Owned Firms: 2002," says that between 1997 and 2002, the number of black-owned businesses in the United States rose 45 percent to 1.2 million, while the combined revenue increased 25 percent to $88.8 billion.

"It's encouraging to see not just the number but the sales and receipts of black-owned businesses are growing at such a robust rate, confirming that these firms are among the fastest growing segments of our economy," said Census Bureau Director Louis Kincannon.

It seems that US isn't as horrible a place for people of color as some would make it out to be.

I'm glad someone is business is doing well in general no matter the color. I think the media has portrayed this as a land of aristocrats owning businesses for too long.

JTiger Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:Well, not by the looks of this article.

Black business owners on rise

Quote:The report, "Survey of Business Owners: Black-Owned Firms: 2002," says that between 1997 and 2002, the number of black-owned businesses in the United States rose 45 percent to 1.2 million, while the combined revenue increased 25 percent to $88.8 billion.

"It's encouraging to see not just the number but the sales and receipts of black-owned businesses are growing at such a robust rate, confirming that these firms are among the fastest growing segments of our economy," said Census Bureau Director Louis Kincannon.

It seems that US isn't as horrible a place for people of color as some would make it out to be.

I'm glad someone is business is doing well in general no matter the color. I think the media has portrayed this as a land of aristocrats owning businesses for too long.

That would go against the main stream medias creed of class warfare. With all the hubbub of the U.S. coming near one million millionaires no media outlet reported that 80% of all millionaires are first generation. The media likes to portray them as the silverspoon Hamptons crowd which a percentage is but a small percentage.
African-American ownership is up across the board, home ownership, business ownership etc.. It is a good thing for the African-American community and a good thing for America.

Endzone2 Wrote:The only thing keeping the black man down is an outrageous sense of entitlement and special privledge compliments of the U.S. federal government. This more than anything is keeping the black man down because he does not play by the same rules as everyone else. Hence you have a very high crime rate and irresponsible (absent) fathers in the black community. If you really want to know what is keeping the black man down it is the democrats in congress who want to own your vote and thereby keep you enslaved to an attitude of entitlement and all the bad stuff that goes with it. To blame whites for the failures in the black community or individual blacks is a lie.

you just said what we're all thinking. Except Soph, who's blind to the percentage of black children born out of wedlock.

How is milionaire defined? Personally, I define it as having a net worth of $1M or more, but a lot of people take it as having an annual income of a million or more. I don't know if they define this as Gross, AGI, or Net. A lot more people would be defined as millionaires under the Net Worth definition than any of the income definitions. Also, under current Estate tax law, which includes life insurance, a millionaire would include most people who have a paid off house, a 401K, and/or some life insurance - taking the definition do into what most of us consider midddle class.

Endzone2 Wrote:The only thing keeping the black man down is an outrageous sense of entitlement and special privledge compliments of the U.S. federal government. This more than anything is keeping the black man down because he does not play by the same rules as everyone else. Hence you have a very high crime rate and irresponsible (absent) fathers in the black community. If you really want to know what is keeping the black man down it is the democrats in congress who want to own your vote and thereby keep you enslaved to an attitude of entitlement and all the bad stuff that goes with it. To blame whites for the failures in the black community or individual blacks is a lie.

I have typed the first few lines of your statement before on this very same forum. Blacks looking for a handout or trying to get something for nothing does hold us back. The bus on reparations left long ago and is not coming back. The welfare system that so many black people embraced, did effectively take the black male out of the home and cause a higher rate of unwed pregnancies. The Democrats have used wefare et al to have a crippling hold on the black vote.

But I also find it funny that a group of southern white males who are one generation (maybe two) from under the white sheets have became so racially tolerant. The fact of the matter is thatin the US, there is still racism against blacks. Now even though all of the fine white males who post on this board have excellent relationship with black, would allow them to marry their daughters and move in next door, does not mean that all white mailes share your view.

So black business ownership is on the rise, that is good. Do blacks have it better today then they did 300 - 40 years ago? HELL Yeah!!! But just becuse our situation is better does not mean that we are where we want to be.

Not a one of you on this board can look around this country and say that whites and blacks are treated equally.

OptimisticOwl Wrote:How is milionaire defined? Personally, I define it as having a net worth of $1M or more, but a lot of people take it as having an annual income of a million or more. I don't know if they define this as Gross, AGI, or Net. A lot more people would be defined as millionaires under the Net Worth definition than any of the income definitions. Also, under current Estate tax law, which includes life insurance, a millionaire would include most people who have a paid off house, a 401K, and/or some life insurance - taking the definition do into what most of us consider midddle class.

Good question!
Most Americans would be suprised to find out the avg income of millionaires. It is no where near as high as most would suspect.
A great read on the topic is Millionaire Next Door.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sty...xtdoor.htm

uhmump95 Wrote:

Endzone2 Wrote:The only thing keeping the black man down is an outrageous sense of entitlement and special privledge compliments of the U.S. federal government. This more than anything is keeping the black man down because he does not play by the same rules as everyone else. Hence you have a very high crime rate and irresponsible (absent) fathers in the black community. If you really want to know what is keeping the black man down it is the democrats in congress who want to own your vote and thereby keep you enslaved to an attitude of entitlement and all the bad stuff that goes with it. To blame whites for the failures in the black community or individual blacks is a lie.

I have typed the first few lines of your statement before on this very same forum. Blacks looking for a handout or trying to get something for nothing does hold us back. The bus on reparations left long ago and is not coming back. The welfare system that so many black people embraced, did effectively take the black male out of the home and cause a higher rate of unwed pregnancies. The Democrats have used wefare et al to have a crippling hold on the black vote.

But I also find it funny that a group of southern white males who are one generation (maybe two) from under the white sheets have became so racially tolerant.

Southern? Who?

Quote:The fact of the matter is thatin the US, there is still racism against blacks.

I lived in Prince George's County Maryland for a few years. Right back at you.

Quote:Now even though all of the fine white males who post on this board have excellent relationship with black, would allow them to marry their daughters and move in next door

Since you seeem a little sacrastic here...you should meet my neighbors. In fact you should meet my neighbors at my last 3 addresses. And my old boss (who I still consult for).

Quote:So black business ownership is on the rise, that is good. Do blacks have it better today then they did 300 - 40 years ago? HELL Yeah!!! But just becuse our situation is better does not mean that we are where we want to be.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nat.../melt2.htm

Quote:Not a one of you on this board can look around this country and say that whites and blacks are treated equally.

That's easy to say. But "Treated equally" is so vague it's meaningless. Treated equally...
When? When applying to Law School?
By whom? whites, blacks, indians, latinos, asians?
Where? Prince Georges County(MD)/Prince William County (VA), Detroit/Rochester Hills, Columbus (OH)/District of Columbia, East LA/Beverly Hills, El Paso, Manhattan, Miami, Chinatown, Cincinnati, Seattle, Minneapolis...

OptimisticOwl Wrote:How is milionaire defined? .

no matter how you define it...I aint one.

Quote:Now even though all of the fine white males who post on this board have excellent relationship with black, would allow them to marry their daughters and move in next door

my neighbors are black. some good friends are black. I have dated blacks.

i just want to point out that my family came to america way after all of the ancestors of the black people on this board. my family made it's way to america around 1900, so don't say i'm one or two generations removed from KKK members.

flyingswoosh Wrote:i just want to point out that my family came to america way after all of the ancestors of the black people on this board. my family made it's way to america around 1900, so don't say i'm one or two generations removed from KKK members.

No, swoosh is currently in the KKK. ;-)

uhmump95 Wrote:But I also find it funny that a group of southern white males who are one generation (maybe two) from under the white sheets have became so racially tolerant.

Way to make your point, stereotype the entire f'n South.

uhmump95 Wrote:But I also find it funny that a group of southern white males who are one generation (maybe two) from under the white sheets have became so racially tolerant. The fact of the matter is thatin the US, there is still racism against blacks. Now even though all of the fine white males who post on this board have excellent relationship with black, would allow them to marry their daughters and move in next door, does not mean that all white mailes share your view.

Not a one of you on this board can look around this country and say that whites and blacks are treated equally.

We went from Kitty Hawk in 1903 to the Moon in 1969. Sometimes change happens fast. I guess that I am one of those you term one generation removed from under the white sheets, although my father was not a Klan member, nor particularly racist. But I grew up watching Little Rock and Oxford, Ms, and seeing sit-ins and bus strikes and race riots, some in person, mostly on the news. I think the Hippie movement did more for race relations than all the government and activist organizations together. A lot of young people in the 60's and 70's were questioning the powers that be and the old ways of doing things. Black and white came together in opposition to the Establishment. There was a lot of change in the 15 or so years, and it has stayed.

yes, not all whites are tolerant - neither are all blacks. Racism used to be essentially a one-way street, now it goes both ways. Nobody really likes it when they are the object of it.

Whites and blacks are not treated equally, but the advantage is not always for one side any more. Men and women are not treated equally, tall and short, skinny and fat, Houston grads and Harvard grads. But all the gaps are closing, except maybe the last one. ;-)

Laettners Legacy Wrote:

Quote:Now even though all of the fine white males who post on this board have excellent relationship with black, would allow them to marry their daughters and move in next door

my neighbors are black. some good friends are black. I have dated blacks.

Were you at the Duke LaCrosse House lately????

RebelKev Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:But I also find it funny that a group of southern white males who are one generation (maybe two) from under the white sheets have became so racially tolerant.

Way to make your point, stereotype the entire f'n South.

I am not attempting to stereotype the south. I am typing for my audiance. Most of the people posting on this board are from the South.

I have said before and will say again that people in northern states are just as if not more racist than those from the south.

uhmump95 Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:But I also find it funny that a group of southern white males who are one generation (maybe two) from under the white sheets have became so racially tolerant.

Way to make your point, stereotype the entire f'n South.

I am not attempting to stereotype the south. I am typing for my audiance. Most of the people posting on this board are from the South.

I have said before and will say again that people in northern states are just as if not more racist than those from the south.

Your statement makes the assumption that all people in the South came from Klan members. I guess you've never heard of abolitionists.