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neo-lib fascists on the college campuses...
... what form do the brownshirts take in your nearby "institution of higher learning?" imagine if the circumstances were reversed. my how the "sensitivity training" crowd would be wetting their pants:

Quote:Sally Jacobsen, a longtime professor in NKU's literature and language department, said the display was dismantled by about nine students in one of her graduate-level classes.

"I did, outside of class during the break, invite students to express their freedom-of-speech rights to destroy the display if they wished to," Jacobsen said.

Asked whether she participated in pulling up the crosses, the professor said, "I have no comment."

fascism, thy true name is "university liberalism."

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../604140420

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04-14-2006 06:56 PM
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Seems to me there are also "Christian" nutcases on college campuses too. And this was at a NORTHERN school not in 'Bama, Mississippi or Texas where one would expect to see these guys.

http://www.star.niu.edu/articles/?id=21973
04-14-2006 07:24 PM
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RobertN Wrote:Seems to me there are also "Christian" nutcases on college campuses too. And this was at a NORTHERN school not in 'Bama, Mississippi or Texas where one would expect to see these guys.

http://www.star.niu.edu/articles/?id=21973

right. that has a great deal in common with a PROFESSOR enlisting students to destroy a permitted display of political thought expressly authorized by the university.

and no one but you decided to interject a religious component.

you remind me of the primary reasons i decided to avoid what passed for thought amongst liberals on this board.

nutcases indeed.
04-14-2006 07:36 PM
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Had to clean up your long URL there Gruehls...er....Gruels....er....grhuels...yeah you!
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Quote:But the First Amendment does not protect everything the men said. Words inciting violence certainly are illegal. The two men were nothing if not combative. The backs of their fiery red T-shirts read, "Repent or Perish," an ultimatum that is difficult to call peaceful.

If that was the most violent thing they said, then this guy has slanted the story like crazy. Church pastors throughout the country say phrases along those lines. Its one of the oldest lines of fire and brimstone preaching. The picture explains more than the article, and in much clearer truth. Yes, it does say unsubmissive wives, but the author neatly left out where it says immediately under it unloving husbands. This guy tried to spin a politically incorrect sign into an incitement of violence. Calling words like "homos and lesbos" intolerant, is like calling the word murderer intolerant towards people with a "violence disorder". This story is so rediculously biased its almost worth discrediting.
04-15-2006 11:36 AM
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RobertN Wrote:Seems to me there are also "Christian" nutcases on college campuses too. And this was at a NORTHERN school not in 'Bama, Mississippi or Texas where one would expect to see these guys.

http://www.star.niu.edu/articles/?id=21973
We get folks handing out stuff all the time. From Bibles, to tracts. Most of the tracts say what was on that sign. Most of the tactics used in the tracts I don't agree with. And most of the claims in the tracts, as a southern baptist, I don't agree with.

Anyways, outrageous claims are made by all at college, not just the religious.
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you know what i love about college the recycle people. they hand you paper and expect you to read it.(most of us wad it up and throw it into the air) doesn't that kinda defeat the whole point of recycling?
04-15-2006 10:33 PM
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T-Monay820 Wrote:
Quote:But the First Amendment does not protect everything the men said. Words inciting violence certainly are illegal. The two men were nothing if not combative. The backs of their fiery red T-shirts read, "Repent or Perish," an ultimatum that is difficult to call peaceful.

If that was the most violent thing they said, then this guy has slanted the story like crazy. Church pastors throughout the country say phrases along those lines. Its one of the oldest lines of fire and brimstone preaching. The picture explains more than the article, and in much clearer truth. Yes, it does say unsubmissive wives, but the author neatly left out where it says immediately under it unloving husbands. This guy tried to spin a politically incorrect sign into an incitement of violence. Calling words like "homos and lesbos" intolerant, is like calling the word murderer intolerant towards people with a "violence disorder". This story is so rediculously biased its almost worth discrediting.

I was looking for a non-opinion piece for the story but there wasn't one that I could find. My point was the picture and I should have pointed that out. But let me say it is really sad that church pastors have to scare people/kids into joining their church. Maybe if they stopped that crap, more people may want to join?

gruehls: I posted it based on your "neo-lib fascists on the college campuses" title. Trying to point out there are some on the far right that are just as ****** up in the head as the left.
04-16-2006 10:51 AM
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RobertN Wrote:gruehls: I posted it based on your "neo-lib fascists on the college campuses" title. Trying to point out there are some on the far right that are just as damn up in the head as the left.

robert, i don't disagree that there are plenty of whackos from the left and the right.

but when it comes to intolerance on college campuses, it's no contest between the loony left and the loony right. had a group of anti-abortionists destroyed a "pro-choice" display, the lefty media from texas to new york would still be engaged in group hand-wringing about the portents for the failure of free speech on college campuses where free speech failed long ago.

and that still does not bring a religious component into the discussion.
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gruehls Wrote:
RobertN Wrote:gruehls: I posted it based on your "neo-lib fascists on the college campuses" title. Trying to point out there are some on the far right that are just as damn up in the head as the left.

i don't disagree that there are plenty of whackos from the left and the right.

but when it comes to intolerance on college campuses, it's no contest between the loony left and the loony right. had a group of anti-abortionists destroyed a "pro-choice" display, the lefty media from texas to new york would still be engaged in group hand-wringing about the portents for the failure for free speech on college campuses where free speech failed long ago.

and that still does not bring a religious component into the discussion.

The first sentence is all I was trying to point out. I could have used anything to show it but this religious story(the story of the picture not the opinion story) was recent and convenient.
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People obviously need some basic lessons in freedom of speech. If you don't like a display, you put up a competing display, you don't tear down the first display.

Here's a another liberal perspective on this. You might be surprised to hear that Ed Brayton does not endorse these acts. Please cut out the lumping of people into either liberal or conservative, religious or atheist. Clearly that is not the case.

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RobertN Wrote:But let me say it is really sad that church pastors have to scare people/kids into joining their church. Maybe if they stopped that crap, more people may want to join? .

I have no clue what church you have attended where the pastor scares his congregation. Most churchs now realize that the most important target are youths. Scaring them about Hell is really not a commonly used tactic. I've never personally experienced it either.
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T-Monay820 Wrote:
RobertN Wrote:But let me say it is really sad that church pastors have to scare people/kids into joining their church. Maybe if they stopped that crap, more people may want to join? .

I have no clue what church you have attended where the pastor scares his congregation. Most churchs now realize that the most important target are youths. Scaring them about Hell is really not a commonly used tactic. I've never personally experienced it either.

I have seen stories on tv where this is the way they get the kids to join. One guy dresses up in a devils suit and terrorizes the kids. They were mentioning this was a growing practice. Then I see more and more people like those in the article who tell you if you you will go to Hell. I just think that a more positive note may get more people to join. One other thing that turns me off(and I am sure many others) is telling you another religion is wrong. That goes for all religions. It just leads to hatred and war. I would prefer to think that we can all get along together but I know that won't happen while some still believe they are the one and only religion.

I personally think that I will just be eaten by worms(or have my ashes dumped over Huskie Stadium). I am willing to believe if there is something that makes me believe. At this point, there has been little evidence to make me believe(but there have been a thing or 2 that have happened make me wonder but not enough to seriously believe).

P.S. I don't think it was a mistake when "W" said nobody will be here to judge his presidency in 20 years. I think much of what he is doing is based on his religion and trying to bring about the end.
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RobertN Wrote:1) I have seen stories on tv where this is the way they get the kids to join. One guy dresses up in a devils suit and terrorizes the kids. They were mentioning this was a growing practice. Then I see more and more people like those in the article who tell you if you you will go to Hell. I just think that a more positive note may get more people to join. 2) One other thing that turns me off(and I am sure many others) is telling you another religion is wrong. That goes for all religions. It just leads to hatred and war. I would prefer to think that we can all get along together but I know that won't happen while some still believe they are the one and only religion.

I'll address the two different parts.

1) I have never heard of this tactic (not counting the old technique of fire and brimstone, which seems to have gone out of practice). Almost all church organizations I have experienced (and living on a college campus, I have experinced a lot) that target teenagers and youths, appeal to them with student friendly speakers. They try and explain their personal relationship with Christ and how they got there. They use worship songs that are light and upbeat, not the old gospel songs you need an organ for. They do fun activities as a group. I've never seen anyone running around in a devil outfit trying to scare kids. If anything, this would drive people away.

2) Teaching that one religion is wrong and the other is right does not automatically lead to violence and war. If the religion teaches that war must be waged (i.e. Islam), then that may be the result. But most religions don't teach to wage war with differing organizations but instead to reach out (i.e. Christian Missionaries). You can't have multiple correct religions, no matter how much you want people to "just get along". Many faiths are monotheistic (I think this is the right term), and believing that other religions are also right, would conflict with their core beliefs. A Christian cannot believe that Shiva is just as important as Christ. Therefore, any religion that is not yours is wrong, because it conflicts with your religions teachings and core beliefs. You can still get along despite differences of faith.
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