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What did she mean by that?
I have heard audio clips of Hilary protesting that the immingration legislation doesn't comply with her "understanding of the Scriptures".

Some the the more leftward posters on this topic have declared that they have a problem with the right wing/conservatives/christians/conservative Christians/et cetera trying to impose their religious convictions on the rest of us through legislation.

So, do they have a problem with Hilary doing the same?

Or do they just take it as insincere political posturing for her campaign?

Just curious if they will show the same levels of contempt and hatred for one of their own.
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Re: What did she mean by that?
OptimisticOwl Wrote:I have heard audio clips of Hilary protesting that the immingration legislation doesn't comply with her "understanding of the Scriptures".

Some the the more leftward posters on this topic have declared that they have a problem with the right wing/conservatives/christians/conservative Christians/et cetera trying to impose their religious convictions on the rest of us through legislation.

So, do they have a problem with Hilary doing the same?

Or do they just take it as insincere political posturing for her campaign?

Just curious if they will show the same levels of contempt and hatred for one of their own.

I think she was referring to the "New York Times" as the "Scriptures".
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Re: What did she mean by that?
blah Wrote:
OptimisticOwl Wrote:I have heard audio clips of Hilary protesting that the immingration legislation doesn't comply with her "understanding of the Scriptures".

Some the the more leftward posters on this topic have declared that they have a problem with the right wing/conservatives/christians/conservative Christians/et cetera trying to impose their religious convictions on the rest of us through legislation.

So, do they have a problem with Hilary doing the same?

Or do they just take it as insincere political posturing for her campaign?

Just curious if they will show the same levels of contempt and hatred for one of their own.

I think she was referring to the "New York Times" as the "Scriptures".

She was quoting the Book of Clinton "Thou shall say what ever race baiting garbage necessary to get elected" Praise be to the Prophet Bill 04-bow
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Not too surprising that the lefties have no comment. What could they say?

OTOH, I bet they would have had a lot to say if the quote was from Frist instead of Hil.
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OptimisticOwl Wrote:Not too surprising that the lefties have no comment. What could they say?

OTOH, I bet they would have had a lot to say if the quote was from Frist instead of Hil.

Do, you don't mean that there is a double standard, do you?
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GrayBeard Wrote:
OptimisticOwl Wrote:Not too surprising that the lefties have no comment. What could they say?

OTOH, I bet they would have had a lot to say if the quote was from Frist instead of Hil.

Do, you don't mean that there is a double standard, do you?


Yep.
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Re: What did she mean by that?
OptimisticOwl Wrote:I have heard audio clips of Hilary protesting that the immingration legislation doesn't comply with her "understanding of the Scriptures".

Some the the more leftward posters on this topic have declared that they have a problem with the right wing/conservatives/christians/conservative Christians/et cetera trying to impose their religious convictions on the rest of us through legislation.

So, do they have a problem with Hilary doing the same?

Or do they just take it as insincere political posturing for her campaign?

Just curious if they will show the same levels of contempt and hatred for one of their own.
Great question, OO. I'd love to see someone on the hard Left address this blatant hypocrisy. I won't hold my breath, though.
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I didn't hear the Senator's comments, but I think that she was wrong for bringing religion into this. This has nothing to do with religion, and government should remain secular.
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I appreciate you responding, Soph. And it is kind of neat the way you sidestepped the question of whether Hilary is a hypocrite or an ideologue. Well done. So, will you still vote for her if she promises to bring God back into politics? If not, where will you turn?

Now if we could just hear from RobertN or one of the others.
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OptimisticOwl Wrote:I appreciate you responding, Soph. And it is kind of neat the way you sidestepped the question of whether Hilary is a hypocrite or an ideologue. Well done. So, will you still vote for her if she promises to bring God back into politics? If not, where will you turn?

Now if we could just hear from RobertN or one of the others.

I'm not sure it is really fair to call out any of our left-leaning buddies over the comments of a particular senator trying to be President. I think it is fair to ask them to comment on the statement, but asking them to defend it, might be a bit much.
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OptimisticOwl Wrote:I appreciate you responding, Soph. And it is kind of neat the way you sidestepped the question of whether Hilary is a hypocrite or an ideologue. Well done. So, will you still vote for her if she promises to bring God back into politics? If not, where will you turn?

Now if we could just hear from RobertN or one of the others.

When have I ever stated that I would vote for Hillary?

When have I ever voted for a Democrat or a Republican for president?

Here's a hint: The answers to both questions are the same.

Regarding Hillary Clinton the politician, name another politician who isn't a hypocrit (I'm not sure why you call her a hypocrit, BTW) and/or and ideologue. I'm curious about the latter, because there are very few politicians on any level who genuinely care about the common man...
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Wow, a lot of action after a lot of silence.

Blah, you first. They don't have to defend her. I would like their opinions on what Hilary said and why she said it and how that changes or doesn't change their perception of her as a leader of the Left, since this kind of talk is more associated with the religious right.

Soph, you next...

I have never heard you state you would vote for anybody, period. I make the assumption that you would probably vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, by default, since there are only two viable choices, and you, according to your choices on the party test, would probably vote for a Republican or Libertarian only when hell freezes over. If I made a mistake, it was in assuming that you would not want to vote for a splinter party or candidate with no chance of winning. Or maybe it was in assuming you would vote at all. So where did I assume wrongly, if indeed I did? Seriously, I would like to know.

As for hypocrisy, yes, i think a certain amount of hypocrisy is a neccessary part of the make-up of any politician and all politicians. Some have it in greater abundance than others. My point , which is open to debate but has not yet been challenged, is that IF hilary is sincere in her statement, then she is doing what many leftists condemn rightists for - injecting their personal religion into law, and if she is NOT sincere, then she is a hypocrite, professing something she does not believe for political gain. My personal opinion is that it is the latter. Hypocrisy, venality, dishonesty, greed, etc, are not the attributes of just one side of the political debate, which is the impression i get from many people, most of them leftists. As for as I am concerned, there is little difference between Clinton(any Clinton), Kennedy, Delay, and Richardson.

Gentlemen, I thank you for your responses.
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OptimisticOwl Wrote:Soph, you next...

Dammit! I knew I shouldn't have answered!

Quote:I have never heard you state you would vote for anybody, period. I make the assumption that you would probably vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, by default, since there are only two viable choices, and you, according to your choices on the party test, would probably vote for a Republican or Libertarian only when hell freezes over. If I made a mistake, it was in assuming that you would not want to vote for a splinter party or candidate with no chance of winning.

I've voted (gasp) Libertarian, Green, and Green in presidential elections. If I were old enough to vote in 1992, I likely would have voted for William Clinton.
Quote: Or maybe it was in assuming you would vote at all.

If the only choices were two candidates, both of whom I despised, I would still vote for one of them.

Quote:As for hypocrisy, yes, i think a certain amount of hypocrisy is a neccessary part of the make-up of any politician and all politicians. Some have it in greater abundance than others. My point , which is open to debate but has not yet been challenged, is that IF hilary is sincere in her statement, then she is doing what many leftists condemn rightists for - injecting their personal religion into law, and if she is NOT sincere, then she is a hypocrite, professing something she does not believe for political gain.

I'm not sure about when she has ever attacked anyone for interjecting religion into lawmaking or politics. If she has, then she'd be a hypocrit, because her husband interjected religion into politics many times.

Quote: My personal opinion is that it is the latter. Hypocrisy, venality, dishonesty, greed, etc, are not the attributes of just one side of the political debate, which is the impression i get from many people, most of them leftists.

We agree in part. I see it from people on the left and the right, but I've seen the right wingers try to be more "holier than thou" about their transgressions.

Quote:As for as I am concerned, there is little difference between Clinton(any Clinton), Kennedy, Delay, and Richardson.

JFK set a standard when he boinked Marilyn. Bill lowered the bar A LOT (even though Monica looks a lot better now).

Quote:Gentlemen, I thank you for your responses.

Don't toss that term around too freely around here. Shoot, it's me and blah you're talking to here. ;-)
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LOL. Soph, got to admit, I enjoy our little discussions, even though we often disagree.

I must also admit, I was shocked at the Libertarian vote - didn't see that one coming.

Glad to see that you would use your vote to its best advantage.

As to which side is more hypocritical, I guess that is a matter of perception. I find the left to be far more mean-spirited, etc (all the words they use to describe the right). Probably material there for a publishable pschology paper.
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