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OptimisticOwl Wrote:Man. you are one sour, negative, prejudiced person. and slow, too. How long since there was a post to this thread?

You want to compare education levels to other developed countries. I guess if you are comparing our HS grads to their HS grads, ours might be average to above average, not the top but certainly not dumb. You and MM just call us dumb since you and he are out of step with the thinking of a majority of Americans, and I guess you feel anyone who doesn't agree with you must be dumb. One thing: why do so many of those foreign graduates come to the US for their graduate work?

next, you decide to lump a lot of people together under one label - certainly the action of a thinking person, right? I don't even know what a neocom is, but apparrently it is that same majority of Americans you don't agree with, the ones you call dumb. I don't know if I am a neocom or not, but I know I am very different from most of the people on this forum. By the way, Clinton didn't embarrass me. I guess that means I am not a neocon. Clinton would have made a great frat brother, but as a leader he fell short in many ways, not the least of which was his blantant disrepect for the law. But i was proud to be an American then, as now, in fact i have always been proud to be an American, regardless of whether I liked the president at the time or his actions or the actions of his party.

You despise Bush for his religiosity, but Clinton and Carter both invoked God, Carter probably more than anyone. Is it your desire that our next president not believe in God? I guess that lets Mrs. Clinton out.

The voting machines are always built by someone's supporter and/or contributor. Maybe next time they will be built by a Clinton supporter. That has as much meaning as that the current ones were built by a Bush supporter. Or do you mean to pass a law saying that those who build voting machines cannot participate in our democracy? I bet that's it.

Supporting the troops means supporting their mission, supporting what they do. Telling them to quit is not supporting them. I don't know what college you owe your allegiance to(TCU?), but do you support the football team by telling them not to come out for the second half, they might get hurt? Do you support your local law enforcement by telling them to quit, they might get hurt? Bring the cops home, and there will be no more dead cops, right?

Everything I have said, I have said to YOU, an individual, not at a group, and I represent only myself, another individual. Do not try to lump me into a labeled, stereotyped group, defined by your own prejudices. I am a member of dozens of different subgroups, and those in combination result in me, a unique individual. There is no one on the board with whom I agree - or disagree - 100%, although you are the closest to it, I guess. In any case please stop profiling me, or at least use your head instead of your prejudices. I don't know who these neocons are - did they imigrate from the Kingdom of Neoconia? And why do you think they are all alike? Do you think that members of your group, as you see yourself, are all alike? Are you used to thinking of people as groups, all exhibiting exactly the same thoughts and behavior. That is so short-sighted. And you are calling Americans dumb?

Really? Prejudiced? Please tell me more? As for you being in the majority? I think it is about 50% Conservative and 50% Liberal BUT my point is the "radical Christian movement" is not a majority. There are enough to have some power(especially with Bush as President) but they don't even have a majority over moderate Christians. You can definately disagree with me without being dumb. You prefer to be religious, I don't. That doesn't make you dumb. I don't have a problem with religion unless it gets radical and interferes with me and my rights. Funny thing is I believe the opposite as you. I think Clinton was a better leader than Bush. I don't think Clinton was great but at least I owed a lot less money to the government than I do now that the deficit is so large because we had to invade a country with no WMD'd despite that being the reason we went in. Just an opinion I guess but I just haven't seen too many successful efforts or positive decisions from Bush. I don't hate the man because he is "Christian", I don't like the type of Christianity he believes in. He is a radical christian in his thinking and tries to use or uses his power to include his personal beliefs to make our laws and decisions.

I forgot to answer the foreign grads, it is because we don't have enough students going into those fields(usually technical) because many Americans don't have the education to take those positions(goes back to my first post on education). They then live and work here when finished. They usually are given/take a lower wage than an American thus lowering the pay scale for a whole sector if there are enough hired throughout the sector.

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http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html
03-23-2006 04:05 PM
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RobertN Wrote:
OptimisticOwl Wrote:Man. you are one sour, negative, prejudiced person. and slow, too. How long since there was a post to this thread?

You want to compare education levels to other developed countries. I guess if you are comparing our HS grads to their HS grads, ours might be average to above average, not the top but certainly not dumb. You and MM just call us dumb since you and he are out of step with the thinking of a majority of Americans, and I guess you feel anyone who doesn't agree with you must be dumb. One thing: why do so many of those foreign graduates come to the US for their graduate work?

next, you decide to lump a lot of people together under one label - certainly the action of a thinking person, right? I don't even know what a neocom is, but apparrently it is that same majority of Americans you don't agree with, the ones you call dumb. I don't know if I am a neocom or not, but I know I am very different from most of the people on this forum. By the way, Clinton didn't embarrass me. I guess that means I am not a neocon. Clinton would have made a great frat brother, but as a leader he fell short in many ways, not the least of which was his blantant disrepect for the law. But i was proud to be an American then, as now, in fact i have always been proud to be an American, regardless of whether I liked the president at the time or his actions or the actions of his party.

You despise Bush for his religiosity, but Clinton and Carter both invoked God, Carter probably more than anyone. Is it your desire that our next president not believe in God? I guess that lets Mrs. Clinton out.

The voting machines are always built by someone's supporter and/or contributor. Maybe next time they will be built by a Clinton supporter. That has as much meaning as that the current ones were built by a Bush supporter. Or do you mean to pass a law saying that those who build voting machines cannot participate in our democracy? I bet that's it.

Supporting the troops means supporting their mission, supporting what they do. Telling them to quit is not supporting them. I don't know what college you owe your allegiance to(TCU?), but do you support the football team by telling them not to come out for the second half, they might get hurt? Do you support your local law enforcement by telling them to quit, they might get hurt? Bring the cops home, and there will be no more dead cops, right?

Everything I have said, I have said to YOU, an individual, not at a group, and I represent only myself, another individual. Do not try to lump me into a labeled, stereotyped group, defined by your own prejudices. I am a member of dozens of different subgroups, and those in combination result in me, a unique individual. There is no one on the board with whom I agree - or disagree - 100%, although you are the closest to it, I guess. In any case please stop profiling me, or at least use your head instead of your prejudices. I don't know who these neocons are - did they imigrate from the Kingdom of Neoconia? And why do you think they are all alike? Do you think that members of your group, as you see yourself, are all alike? Are you used to thinking of people as groups, all exhibiting exactly the same thoughts and behavior. That is so short-sighted. And you are calling Americans dumb?

Really? Prejudiced? Please tell me more? As for you being in the majority? I think it is about 50% Conservative and 50% Liberal BUT my point is the "radical Christian movement" is not a majority. There are enough to have some power(especially with Bush as President) but they don't even have a majority over moderate Christians. You can definately disagree with me without being dumb. You prefer to be religious, I don't. That doesn't make you dumb. I don't have a problem with religion unless it gets radical and interferes with me and my rights. Funny thing is I believe the opposite as you. I think Clinton was a better leader than Bush. I don't think Clinton was great but at least I owed a lot less money to the government than I do now that the deficit is so large because we had to invade a country with no WMD'd despite that being the reason we went in. Just an opinion I guess but I just haven't seen too many successful efforts or positive decisions from Bush. I don't hate the man because he is "Christian", I don't like the type of Christianity he believes in. He is a radical christian in his thinking and tries to use or uses his power to include his personal beliefs to make our laws and decisions.

Well, I think one evidence of your prejudice is your assumption that that I "prefer to be religious". Don't know how you came up with that. Kind of like accussing Clinton of preferring to be celibate. I haven't seen the inside of a church in 15 years, don't consider myself religious, and I'm not even sure if I'm Christian. But I am thoughtful, and what I pointed out (that you in your prejudice you assumed meant that i was religious) was that Carter and Clinton invoke(d) God, no differently than Bush does. All american presidents have - it's political suicide not to.

The majority that I was talking about was the majority that reelected Bush. That seems to be the group you have trouble with.

Clinton led us where? Bosnia, Kosovo, the Rwanda rescue mission? I guess leadership has many meanings.
03-23-2006 06:43 PM
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