Oddball Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:Clinton policy was to allow Al Quaida to fester and grow....Oh yeah, and to allow them to attack the US over and over and over and over again!  So what was his policy on terrorism...Run and Hide?

Nonsense. Read Clarke's book. Or maybe have someone read it to you. Either way, try and learn something about a subject before trying to discuss it. Rush really doesn't arm you boys well.

OK, Mr. Wizard, since you know so much and have been armed by Dick Clarke's book, why don't you tell me what President Clinton did to solve the issue of Al Quaida? And lobbing a few cruise missiles is weak...real weak!

Prove me wrong!

RebelKev Wrote:Don't try to speak for the troops Dogger. We've been over this. Trust me, they like and admire the man as CinC.

No they don't.

GrayBeard Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:Clinton policy was to allow Al Quaida to fester and grow....Oh yeah, and to allow them to attack the US over and over and over and over again!  So what was his policy on terrorism...Run and Hide?

Nonsense. Read Clarke's book. Or maybe have someone read it to you. Either way, try and learn something about a subject before trying to discuss it. Rush really doesn't arm you boys well.

OK, Mr. Wizard, since you know so much and have been armed by Dick Clarke's book, why don't you tell me what President Clinton did to solve the issue of Al Quaida? And lobbing a few cruise missiles is weak...real weak!

Prove me wrong!

Read the book. :wave:

Just a little excerpt for you:

-Ronald Reagan, who did not retaliate for the murder of 278 United States Marines in Beirut and who violated his own terrorism policy by trading arms for hostages in what came to be called the Iran-Contra scandel;

-George H. W. Bush, who did not retaliate for the Lybian murder of 259 passengers on Pan Am 103; who did not have an official counterterrorism policy; and who left Saddam Hussein in place, requiring the United States to leave a large military presence in Saudi Arabia;

-Bill Clinton, who identified terrorism as the major post-Cold War threat and acted to improve our counterterrorism capabilities; who (little known to the public) quelled anti-American terrorism by Iraq and Iran and defeated an al Qaeda attempt to dominate Bosnia; but who, weakened by continued political attack, could not get the CIA, the Pentagon, and FBI to act sufficiently to deal with the threat;

-George W. Bush, who failed to act prior to September 11 on the threat from al Qaeda despite repeated warnings and then harvested a political windfall for taking obvious yet insufficient steps after the attacks; and who launched an unnecessary and costly war in Iraq that strengthens the fundamentalist, radical Islamic terrorist movement worldwide.

Clarke's work for the four men listed above are his qualifications for making such statements. Yours?

Reb,

As I've said before your service to our country is admirable. I've been thinking and wondering how to ask you this. Without any slant, what percent of the military is gung-ho over this invasion? Do military people equate Iraq with Al-Quaeda. Are your commanding officers using the company line? I'm aware of the chain of command, and questioning commands can lead to a ton of problems, but do you know of anyone who thinks the way I do in the military. Sippin beer with the guys do you ever think WTF is goin on here? Not intended to be a flame but sometimes like minded people don't question or bring up topics like we do in this room.

Oddball Wrote:-Bill Clinton, who identified terrorism as the major post-Cold War threat and acted to improve our counterterrorism capabilities; who (little known to the public) quelled anti-American terrorism by Iraq and Iran and defeated an al Qaeda attempt to dominate Bosnia; but who, weakened by continued political attack, could not get the CIA, the Pentagon, and FBI to act sufficiently to deal with the threat;

OK, this is who I was asking about....

He Identified terrorism--boy that gives me a warm fuzzy. Good Job Bill!

"...quelled anti-American terrorism by Iraq and Iran..." holy shiite, stop the presses...Iraq/Anti-American terrorism. Way to f*ck yours and every other liberals contention that Saddam had nothing to do with terrorism! :roflol:

So, how did he quell this terrorism that did/did not exist?

"...but who, weakened by continued political attack, could not get the CIA, the Pentagon, and FBI to act sufficiently to deal with the threat;"--nice excuse!

You have proven zilch! Good Job!

Oddball Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:Don't try to speak for the troops Dogger. We've been over this. Trust me, they like and admire the man as CinC.

No they don't.

Ok, where do you get your information from?

GrayBeard Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:-Bill Clinton, who identified terrorism as the major post-Cold War threat and acted to improve our counterterrorism capabilities; who (little known to the public) quelled anti-American terrorism by Iraq and Iran and defeated an al Qaeda attempt to dominate Bosnia; but who, weakened by continued political attack, could not get the CIA, the Pentagon, and FBI to act sufficiently to deal with the threat;

OK, this is who I was asking about....

He Identified terrorism--boy that gives me a warm fuzzy. Good Job Bill!

"...quelled anti-American terrorism by Iraq and Iran..." holy shiite, stop the presses...Iraq/Anti-American terrorism. Way to f*ck yours and every other liberals contention that Saddam had nothing to do with terrorism! :roflol:

So, how did he quell this terrorism that did/did not exist?

"...but who, weakened by continued political attack, could not get the CIA, the Pentagon, and FBI to act sufficiently to deal with the threat;"--nice excuse!

You have proven zilch! Good Job!

May we have your qualifications? I see you're very good at making up interpretations of someone else's highly qualified observations, but what qualifications do you have? Mr. Clarke was left in charge of coordinating things from the evacuated White House on 9/11. I'm guessing that he knows his stuff.

Again, read the book. It may open your eyes. You need it.

RebelKev Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:Don't try to speak for the troops Dogger. We've been over this. Trust me, they like and admire the man as CinC.

No they don't.

Ok, where do you get your information from?

Well, I didn't ask a couple of your buddies. :wave:

Yo Senor Odd...I really want to focus on this part...

Quote:...who (little known to the public) quelled anti-American terrorism by Iraq and Iran...

Give me some learning, oh smart one, on the Iraq terrorism connection. I am intrigued. Oh, I am so very intrigued. Is this a direct quote out of the Clarke book?

GrayBeard Wrote:Yo Senor Odd...I really want to focus on this part...

Quote:...who (little known to the public) quelled anti-American terrorism by Iraq and Iran...

Give me some learning, oh smart one, on the Iraq terrorism connection. I am intrigued. Oh, I am so very intrigued. Is this a direct quote out of the Clarke book?

Come on Odd, don't leave us all hangin. You've evidently read the book, so give us the low down on the Iraqi Terrorism connection.

<a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743260244/qid=1085774148/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/103-7447287-6056621?v=glance&s=books&n=507846' target='_blank'>Do your own homework, pookie!</a> :wave:

Oddball Wrote:<a href='http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743260244/qid=1085774148/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/103-7447287-6056621?v=glance&s=books&n=507846' target='_blank'>Do your own homework, pookie!</a> :wave:

:roflol: :roflol: :stupid:

It seems Oddball has stuck himself between a rock and a hard place and has decided to clam up on the subject. We have some lovely parting gifts for you!


Everytime you want to bring up no Iraq/Terrorism link...I will bring up this thread, where you admitted it! Your done, thanks for playing!


:drink: :snore:

I didn't admit anything, Mr. Mason. Please have the court reporter read back the transcript.

Ah, it seems my esteemed colleague has not only mistaken an excerpt from "Against All Enemies" for my words, he has also decided that the word "terrorism" in the aforementioned quote is synonymous with al Qaeda. Easy mistake if one were not paying any attention whatsoever. :rolleyes:

Oddball Wrote:I didn't admit anything, Mr. Mason. Please have the court reporter read back the transcript.

Ah, it seems my esteemed colleague has not only mistaken an excerpt from "Against All Enemies" for my words, he has also decided that the word "terrorism" in the aforementioned quote is synonymous with al Qaeda. Easy mistake if one were not paying any attention whatsoever. :rolleyes:

Once again let me remind you that we are at war with Terrorism, not just Al Quaida.

GrayBeard Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:I didn't admit anything, Mr. Mason. Please have the court reporter read back the transcript.

Ah, it seems my esteemed colleague has not only mistaken an excerpt from "Against All Enemies" for my words, he has also decided that the word "terrorism" in the aforementioned quote is synonymous with al Qaeda. Easy mistake if one were not paying any attention whatsoever.&nbsp; :rolleyes:

Once again let me remind you that we are at war with Terrorism, not just Al Quaida.

Once again, let me remind you to read the book. You just might find the answer to your question from the man who Condi Rice asked for immediately upon learning that the first plane had hit the towers.

Hey Oddy, check out my signature! :roflol:

"When the story ultimately comes out we'll see that Iran has run one of the most masterful intelligence operations in history. They persuaded the US and Britain to dispose of its greatest enemy."

-- Former State Department counter-terrorism official Larry Johnson, quoted in The Guardian. According to the article: "Some intelligence officials now believe that Iran used the hawks in the Pentagon and the White House to get rid of a hostile neighbour, and pave the way for a Shia-ruled Iraq."

Taegan Goddard's Political Wire, Quote of the Day, May 25, 2004

<a href='http://www.politicalwire.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.politicalwire.com/</a>

Iran knew that Bush was itching for a fight with Iraq or anyone, they fed him the story he wanted to hear,WMDs, sadistic ruler, conspiring with terrorists, etc etc...... he gets a hard on and jumps all over it and goes to war with Iraq and the Iranis are laughing their ******es off because they have managed to convince the greatest super power in the history of the world to take care of their worst enemy for them at no cost to them.

Those guys are smart. They used ol' Dub like a puppet on a string.........

doh

GrayBeard Wrote:Hey Oddy, check out my signature! :roflol:

Whatever makes you happy. :rolleyes:

Iraq had no connection to al Qaeda, but feel free to keep making yourself look foolish.

Reb,

Waiting for an answer. Not a flame, just wondered if anyone around you questions our current policies?

Why does everyone ignore the fact that tremendous progress has been made in Iraq and weve only lost 800 troops, although this is no small number of americans, it is when you look at the enormous operation and accomplishment that the military effort has yeilded, we lost 400 thousand in WW2 and we lost 2900 in the trade center.The military campaign has been a great success in most areas. I find the most arrogant Americans are the anti-war people who point fingers at the rest of us and call us 'arrogant americans' youre the ones who are so arrogant you think WTC type of attack could not and will not happen to you, for you its just a headline on the news at night. For the rest of us we want to take care of the problem. You also whine about the cost of the war, do you have any idea how much money the US spends on foreign aid to Africa, Egypt and other nations, you seem to think this is money well spent.