John Kerry says he is a conservative: :D

From Kerry speech in WV:

"People in West Virginia have good conservative values, right?" said Kerry, whose stance on gun control and abortion have lumped him in with the Senate's liberal core. "Well, I always thought being conservative meant not spending money you don't have. There's nothing conservative about this administration's spending money and piling up debts for our young children."


Kerry’s solution to piling up debts for young children ABORTION. Funny Kerry is trying to run as fast as he can from his Liberal record in states with conservative values. :roflol:

I personally always thought conservative values meant Traditional Marriage, PRO-LIFE, Gun ownership, etc. Fiscal conservative and Ideological conservative are two different things i.e. Bill Clinton.

Bush embraces his conservative Ideology, while Kerry is ashamed of his Liberal Ideology or at least attempts to hide it when he is talking to mainstream Americans.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Bush embraces his conservative Ideology, while Kerry is ashamed of his Liberal Ideology or at least attempts to hide it when he is talking to mainstream Americans.

no offence but are you just now reakizing this? :D

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Kerry’s solution to piling up debts for young children ABORTION. Funny Kerry is trying to run as fast as he can from his Liberal record in states with conservative values. :roflol:

Bush's solution is to rob Peter to pay Paul.... just be sure Peter is not born yet!


economic abortion!

Republican "family values": Make sure the child is born, then let 'em starve to death.

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:Republican "family values": Make sure the child is born, then let 'em starve to death.

BS...pure BS!

You have bitten the lib line on conversvatives hook, line, and sinker! Next you are going to say that Republicans are all a bunch of racists!

Thanks for playing!

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:Republican "family values": Make sure the child is born, then let 'em starve to death.

<a href='http://www.aap.org/obesity/summary.htm' target='_blank'>Really?</a>

What's the next subject where you'd like to be 100% wrong?

Quote:BS...pure BS!

Prove it. How many poor children could have been fed, clothed or given medical care for the ridiculous tax break that the Republicans gave to millionaires and billionaires?

Which party pushed to eliminate school lunch programs? Which party pushed to eliminate food stamps? Which party turned around and gave away billions to their corporate cronies?

I never said anything about Republicans being racists, but hey, if you feel the shoe fits...

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:

Quote:BS...pure BS!

Prove it. How many poor children could have been fed, clothed or given medical care for the ridiculous tax break that the Republicans gave to millionaires and billionaires?

Was the money that was "given back" earmarked to feed the hungry? Wow, news to me. Oh, and by the way, everyone that pays taxes got a benefit from the tax cuts, not just millionaires and billionaires. But once again all you are spouting is unfounded dim rhetoric. Take a look at who pays income taxes, how much they pay, and who got $$$ back.

Oh, everyone is entitled to medical care in this country, and those of us that have insurance will end up picking up the tab for those that can't afford the care the get.

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:

Quote:BS...pure BS!

Prove it. How many poor children could have been fed, clothed or given medical care for the ridiculous tax break that the Republicans gave to millionaires and billionaires?

Did John Kerry, or John Edwards give their tax cut win fall to the poor? John Kerry is married to one of the wealthiest women in America how much of that money do they give to the poor v. spending it on a losing cause Kerry’s Presidential Bid. :laugh:

John Edwards a “champion of the people

Trooper Wrote:

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Kerry’s solution to piling up debts for young children ABORTION.&nbsp; Funny Kerry is trying to run as fast as he can from his Liberal record in states with conservative values.&nbsp; :roflol:

Bush's solution is to rob Peter to pay Paul.... just be sure Peter is not born yet!


economic abortion!

Can't believe you guys let this one slip through the cracks. Rob Peter to pay Paul Trooper? You mean like taxing the hell out of the successful and giving it in the form of a handout to lower income people to garner votes? That's an accurate description, however, you got the political party wrong.

Democratic values are very much in tune with West Virginia, which is why Democrats have dominated the state for, like, ever.

Not spending what you don't have? That's common sense -- and a Democratic value.

Protecting the middle class and making sure everyone pays their fair share in taxes, including big corporations and multimillionaires? That just simple fairness -- and its a Democratic value.

If Kerry keeps emphasizing that kind of stuff in West Virginia, he will win there.

He might want to challenge Bush to a shootin' competition while he's at it. Screw the third debate -- let's see who's the best shot, and let's do it in West Virginia.

Bush is all hat and no cattle. Kerry would kick his ***.

GrayBeard Wrote:Oh, and by the way, everyone that pays taxes got a benefit from the tax cuts, not just millionaires and billionaires.

Funny, the only real benefit I've seen was related to extremely low interest rates, not a tax cut.

Schadenfreude Wrote:Democratic values are very much in tune with West Virginia, which is why Democrats have dominated the state for, like, ever.

Not spending what you don't have? That's common sense -- and a Democratic value.

Protecting the middle class and making sure everyone pays their fair share in taxes, including big corporations and multimillionaires? That just simple fairness -- and its a Democratic value.

Democrats like Sen Byrd dominate WVa because of pork barrel...he has had alot of government money funneled into his poor state...that's why they love him (because he's good at pork barrel)...not his deep rooted democratic values.

Not spending money you don't have? Yeah, but don't forget, it's not about tightening the government belt, it's about raising taxes to keep all of the entitlement programs. Oh yeah, and closing military bases (unless the base is in your favorite democratic senator's state).

Making sure everyone pays their fair share is democratic lingo for 'government sponsered socialism'. Take a large percentage from the 'wealthy', because they can afford it, and disperse it to the 'working poor'. It's the same class-baiting that democrats roll out every election. It's a tired idea, but give them credit, it works with people who are looking for a scapegoat and hate people with money. Plus, I'd like to hear what exactly Kerry and Edwards classify as 'wealthy'. If anyone has a link to that info, I'd appreciate it.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:John Kerry says he is a conservative: :D

From Kerry speech in WV:

"People in West Virginia have good conservative values, right?" said Kerry, whose stance on gun control and abortion have lumped him in with the Senate's liberal core. "Well, I always thought being conservative meant not spending money you don't have. There's nothing conservative about this administration's spending money and piling up debts for our young children."


Kerry’s solution to piling up debts for young children ABORTION. Funny Kerry is trying to run as fast as he can from his Liberal record in states with conservative values. :roflol:

I personally always thought conservative values meant Traditional Marriage, PRO-LIFE, Gun ownership, etc. Fiscal conservative and Ideological conservative are two different things i.e. Bill Clinton.

Bush embraces his conservative Ideology, while Kerry is ashamed of his Liberal Ideology or at least attempts to hide it when he is talking to mainstream Americans.

Kerry is correct in criticizing the practice of "spending money we don't have", which is basically the Webster's Dictionary definition of politicians. The question remains is how Kerry intends to rectify the problem. Tax the populace back to the Stone Age in order to feed the government the spending money they "need"? Or, cut wasteful spending down but leave taxes at the level they are at? Or a blend of both?

And as Torch rightly pointed out, the notion of 'America's lower class are starving in the streets' is one of the biggest myths out there. The lowest quartile (income-wise) of America eats the most, drinks the most, and smokes the most, compared to the other income strata. A paradox, yes, but that's the way it is.

Another time-honored myth is the idea that government is the only mechanism that can save a particular Group du Jour from such-and-such problem.

RebelKev Wrote:

Trooper Wrote:

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Kerry’s solution to piling up debts for young children ABORTION.  Funny Kerry is trying to run as fast as he can from his Liberal record in states with conservative values. &nbsp; :roflol:

Bush's solution is to rob Peter to pay Paul.... just be sure Peter is not born yet!


economic abortion!

Can't believe you guys let this one slip through the cracks. Rob Peter to pay Paul Trooper? You mean like taxing the hell out of the successful and giving it in the form of a handout to lower income people to garner votes? That's an accurate description, however, you got the political party wrong.

No

Bush's economic policies are robbing generations that have not been born yet.

national debt????

Your children and their children will be paying for his policies.

Thus "robbing Peter (future generations) to pay Paul(current economic situation), just be sure Peter( future generations) is not born yet."