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Looks like Mr. Straight-Shooter done gone and shot hisself in the foot again. DOH!

DEMOCRACY CORPS
JAMES CARVILLE ¬ STANLEY GREENBERG
10 G STREET, NE ¬ SUITE 400 ¬ WASHINGTON, DC 20002
202-478-8330 (TEL) ¬ 202-289-8648 (FAX)
WWW://DEMOCRACYCORPS.COM

Date: May 19, 2004
To: Friends of Democracy Corps
From: Stan Greenberg
James Carville

RE: BUSHХS LONG ODDS
A Report on the New Phase of the 2004 Election
Six months out from the election, the race for president has entered a new and distinct
phase with Bush not only endangered, as we suggested earlier, but now with the
odds against him. He is more likely to lose than win. Public confidence has collapsed on
Iraq, but there is a lot of collateral damage, producing a strong desire for change.
Whether it is the vote or job approval or personal favorability, Bush has become a 47
percent president at best. In almost every area, he is being dragged down by even
stronger negative trends. Put simply by the voters themselves: just 42 percent want the
country to continue in BushХs direction.
In this new phase, the whole framework for the election now re-enforces BushХs
marginality. Big forces are at work, undercutting BushХs case for progress and point of
view on the economy, budget priorities, foreign policy and national security. As a result,
Bush wins the argument in no area in this survey, putting the election on the DemocratsХ
terrain.
KerryХs personal standing is slightly improved in this survey, he remains weakened
by Bush sustained attacks. Nonetheless, he has taken the lead nationally (49 to 47
percent), which is also the average of all the public polls. Kerry has made these gains Р
his margin up 2 points since mid-April and 5 point since mid-March Р largely because of
the collapse in confidence in Bush, the deepening mood for change and the emerging
framework for the election.
This memorandum highlights the changing and re-enforcing dynamics that has
created this new phase.
Bush collapse on Iraq. Bush has made Iraq his signature initiative that defines
success and failure in the war on terrorism, but the public now believes things have gone
badly wrong. By 55 to 41 percent, voters say the Iraq war was not worth the cost of U.S.
BushХs Long Odds
2
dollars and lives. Just two months ago, the country was split, but no longer. Bush has
faltered on every measure related to the war, and by 54 to 44 percent, want to go in a significantly
different direction (net +10 points for change). Perhaps most important in
terms of BushХs case for progress and staying the course, a large majority of 55 percent
say the U.S. is losing control there, with only 41 percent thinking we are making progress.
Was the War in Iraq Worth it?

(Pay attention here, Cons)

Bush is very vulnerable to further attacks on the Iraq issue. In this survey, there
were four powerful attacks:

1) Halliburton (no bid contracts, $6 billion in profits, inflated
prices and overcharging the government for troopsХ meals);

2) misled on out-of-control
costs (assured us Iraq would finance own reconstruction, but have spent $166 billion dollars,
after getting the additional $87 billion, now requesting another $25 billion, and they
offer no Iraq budget until after election);

3) war financed with deficit spending paid by
our children;

4) no clear mission for the soldiers or plan for post-war rebuilding leaves us
with nearly 800 American have died in Iraq, as our soldiers now perform tasks they did
not train for, and are sitting ducks.

Each of these raises serious doubts for about 60 percent
of the electorate, including very serious for about 40 percent.
Foreign Policy and the War on Terrorism. The political crash in Iraq is part of a
much bigger pull back from Bush on how America relates to the world and how to keep
America secure. Voters are drawing conclusions, not just about progress and competence;
they are coming to a view of the world very much at odds with BushХs ideology
and policy prescriptions. Even when the presidential debate is compressed to an argu-
BushХs Long Odds
3
ment about security, Bush can only manage a draw Р in the area that is the central purpose
of his presidency.
The country sees a mess in Iraq but more than that, in AmericaХs foreign policy Р
and it matters as much as any other issue. By 52 to 40 percent voters want to go in a significantly
different direction than Bush, rather than continue the current course. The
margin for change has doubled from a month ago to a net +12 points. (At the beginning
of the year, the parties were evenly split.) In our regression models to predict the vote in
2004, views of Bush on foreign policy are as strong as any other issue and significantly
stronger than judgments about the war on terrorism.
Direction on Foreign Policy
40
43 43
46
40
45 44
47
54 54
40
46
44
52
49
47 47
50
47
39
20
40
60
May-03
Jun-03
Jul-03
Aug-03
Sep-03
Oct-03
Nov-03
Dec-03
Jan-04
Feb-04
Mar-04
Apr-04
May-04
Jun-04
Bush Direction Significantly Different Direction
Net
Difference
-14 +10 -15
Bush Direction vs. Significantly Different Direction
-1 -- +2 +1 +4 +6 +12
A large majority has decided it prefers a different way to relate to the world: 52
percent says ТAmericaХs security depends on building strong ties with other nations,У
while just 41 percent agree, Тbottom line, AmericaХs security depends on its own military
strength.У
The publicХs confidence in BushХs handling of the war on terrorism has fallen
steadily this year, collapsing in the last month. In January, the public wanted to continue
BushХs direction on the war on terrorism by 33 points, but that dropped to 26 points in
February, to 22 points in April and to 14 points today (56 to 42 percent).
The result is that Bush cannot win the central debate in the framework he would
hope would shape the election. In the simulated debate below, the resolute foreign pol-
BushХs Long Odds
4
icy, sending signals to rogue nations and terrorist networks to make America secure only
breaks even against the critique of the go-it-alone foreign policy that leaves America less
respected and more hated, with weaker alliances and less secure.
41 38
0
20
40
60
Debate Over Foreign Policy and Security
1st Statement- Strongly
1st Statement- Not so strongly
2nd Statement- Strongly
2nd Statement- Not so strongly
48 47
Net
+1
Our current go-it-alone foreign policy is
producing less respect for America, weaker and
divided international alliances, a hatred of
America that fosters new generations of terrorists.
Bottom line: it leaves us less secure.
Our current foreign policy shows an America
resolute in fighting terrorism and promoting
democracy, that puts AmericaХs interests before
anything else, and that sends a signal to rogue
nations and terrorist networks that there is no place
to hide. Bottom line: it makes us more secure.
ТNow I'm going to read you some pairs of statements. As I read ea ch pair, please tell me whether the FIRST
statement or the SECOND statement comes closer to your own views, even if neither is exactly right.У
Economic frustration. It is time to take the votersХ frustration with the economy
seriously, despite continuing reports on job creation, the strong economy and the good
news that lies ahead. This monthХs results are the most dramatic yet, as Bush drops on
economic measures rival the changes on Iraq. It is possible that elite satisfaction with the
economy and BushХs talk about economic progress is producing an economic backlash in
the country, particularly among average and middle class voters.
Virtually all public polls report a drop in BushХs job ratings on the economy. This
survey re-enforces that: 57 percent want to go in a significantly different direction on the
economy, with 48 percent saying they feel strongly about that. The number for change
has reached over 60 percent for non-college voters. This month, there has been a dramatic
rise, up from 57 to 65 percent, saying there has been economic gains for the highest
earners, but not for the middle class, for whom jobs are scarce and health care costs are
skyrocketing.
BushХs Long Odds
5
65
57
59 59
39
33
37 37
20
40
60
80
Feb-04 Mar-04 Apr-04 May-04 Jun-04
+22 Net
Difference
+22 +18
Uneven Economic Gains vs. Economic Success
There have been economic gains and tax cuts for the biggest corporations and highest
earners, but not for middle class and working Americans. Jobs are scarce, incomes have
barely risen in 3 years, while health care, college and housing costs are skyrocketing.
The economy is showing real signs of success - record growth, highest home ownership ever,
new jobs and rising stock values which shows that the Bush tax cuts are working and our
economy is moving in the right direction.
+32
In assessing why Bush is sinking, not rising with the economy, one has to keep in
mind peopleХs assessment of their own personal financial situation (which has not been
rising, even as it forms a part of the ABC News/Money consumer confidence measure);
the unemployment rate which leaves people with a sense of scarce jobs and low bargaining
power; the strikingly unequal income gains in this recovery; the focus on outsourcing
and reduced benefits for current jobs; and most important, the dramatic rise in costs for
health care and gasoline.
The president has to make the case for the success of his policies, otherwise all is
lost for him, but he faces a paradox rooted in the real lives of average Americans.
The deficits. DonХt underestimate the power of the deficits. Remarkably, this is
the area where votersХ most want to see change from the Bush era: 62 percent, twice the
number who want to continue with Bush. The sense of the budget out of control may be
an important factor contributing to the rising desire for change. As a result, the federal
deficits can be a central element in the critique of the Bush presidency and in the agenda
of a Kerry candidacy.
б When we conducted a simplified message choice between Kerry and Bush, Kerry
won by about 15 points, when we said, ТHe will cut the deficit in half so that Social
Security is protected.У
BushХs Long Odds
6
б One of the top attacks on BushХs Iraq policy centers on the deficits: ТThe war in
Iraq has already cost $166 and Bush now wants ano ther $25 billion. But because
of his tax cuts for the wealthy, we are financing this war through the largest deficits
in history, passing the costs off to our children (61 percent serious doubts).
Two emerging, powerful themes and issue framework. The election has also
moved to a new phase because of deepening emotions in two areas that are starting to
structure the race. First, people are frustrated that America is not tackling itХs own problems,
to make America strong at home as well as abroad. We have lived through almost
three years under the Bush ТwartimeУ presidency, which he wants to continue. But the
public wants to be able to hope for more than that. Second, people are frustrated that the
middle class is having such a tough time, while corporate America and CEOs live so high
in BushХs Washington. Indeed, these frustrations are re-enforcing and can produce a
powerful choice in the election.
1. An ТAmerican prioritiesУ theme tests in the top tier of themes for a Kerry
campaign: ТWe need to work together to stark tackling our problems at home and
building a strong America Р addressing our economy, health care, education and
retirement. We need to work for America to be strong both at home and abroad.У
Without any specificity, this theme moved to the top, with 60 percent responding
they would be more likely to vote for Kerry. It captures an aspiration to bring the
country together to make her strong at home, just as we demand strength against
external threats. The message choices against Bush test 3 points stronger when
they include this set-up.
2. The public responds very strongly to Kerry statements about the importance
of prioritizing the middle class, raising itХs living standards and advancing a middle
class agenda, particularly in light of the corporate excesses and favoritism of
the Bush era. In the graph below, one can see the strong voter response when
Kerry speaks of middle class squeeze and stagnant incomes, CEOs making 150
times as much as the average employee and a middle class agenda: middle class
tax cuts, affordable health care and college. There is a strong response to a Kerry
who speaks of a Т100-percent America, where everyone has a chance for a better
life, not just the privileged few.У Indeed, it is possible to join these impulses, as
Kerry asserts, ТA strong country starts with a strong middle class.У
BushХs Long Odds
7
KERRY THEMES
(Percent Responding)
Much more
likely to support
Total more
likely to support
Today, the middle class is squeezed, while top
CEOs and the wealthiest demand ever more.
CEO's now make 150 times as much as the average
employee in their companies. The average family
has seen only about a 15 percent raise in their income
over the last 25 years and nothing in the last
three. My goal is to shift the balance with middle
class tax cuts, strong steps to cut health care costs
and making college tuition tax deductible.
40 61
We need to work together to start tackling our
problems at home and building a strong America --
addressing our economy, health care, education
and retirement. We need for America to be strong
both at home and abroad.
33 61
A strong country starts with a strong middle class.
That's why everything I do will be judged by that
goal. Cutting middle class taxes, keeping jobs in
America with good wages and benefits, and affordable
health care We need to work together to start
tackling our problems at home and building a
strong America -- addressing our economy, health
care, education and retirement. We need for Ame rica
to be strong both at home and abroad.
38 60
I believe in a 100-percent America, where everyone
has a chance for a better life, not just the privileged
few. An opportunity for education, to care for their
families, affordable health care, and a secure retirement.
America should be admired because we
built a 100-percent country at home.
36 58
I would hope to restore the spirit of JFK's Ame rica.
We must have the military strength to defeat
terrorism and promote freedom, but we should also
be admired for creating a 100-percent America at
home, where everyone has a chance for a better
life, not just the privileged few.
34 55
BushХs Long Odds
8
With Bush losing the debate over foreign policy and Iraq and barely able to win
the debate over security, Kerry is in a position to dominate the emerging debate over the
countryХs future. The public is looking for a leader who will bring people together to
tackle the countryХs problem and make America strong, starting with a strong middle
class.

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joebordenrebel Wrote:Looks like Mr. Straight-Shooter done gone and shot hisself in the foot again. DOH!

DEMOCRACY CORPS
JAMES CARVILLE ¬ STANLEY GREENBERG
10 G STREET, NE ¬ SUITE 400 ¬ WASHINGTON, DC 20002
202-478-8330 (TEL) ¬ 202-289-8648 (FAX)
WWW://DEMOCRACYCORPS.COM

Date: May 19, 2004
To: Friends of Democracy Corps
From: Stan Greenberg
James Carville

RE: BUSHХS LONG ODDS
A Report on the New Phase of the 2004 Election
Six months out from the election, the race for president has entered a new and distinct
phase with Bush not only endangered, as we suggested earlier, but now with the
odds against him. He is more likely to lose than win. Public confidence has collapsed on
Iraq, but there is a lot of collateral damage, producing a strong desire for change.
Whether it is the vote or job approval or personal favorability, Bush has become a 47
percent president at best. In almost every area, he is being dragged down by even
stronger negative trends. Put simply by the voters themselves: just 42 percent want the
country to continue in BushХs direction.
In this new phase, the whole framework for the election now re-enforces BushХs
marginality. Big forces are at work, undercutting BushХs case for progress and point of
view on the economy, budget priorities, foreign policy and national security. As a result,
Bush wins the argument in no area in this survey, putting the election on the DemocratsХ
terrain.
KerryХs personal standing is slightly improved in this survey, he remains weakened
by Bush sustained attacks. Nonetheless, he has taken the lead nationally (49 to 47
percent), which is also the average of all the public polls. Kerry has made these gains Р
his margin up 2 points since mid-April and 5 point since mid-March Р largely because of
the collapse in confidence in Bush, the deepening mood for change and the emerging
framework for the election.
This memorandum highlights the changing and re-enforcing dynamics that has
created this new phase.
Bush collapse on Iraq. Bush has made Iraq his signature initiative that defines
success and failure in the war on terrorism, but the public now believes things have gone
badly wrong. By 55 to 41 percent, voters say the Iraq war was not worth the cost of U.S.
BushХs Long Odds
2
dollars and lives. Just two months ago, the country was split, but no longer. Bush has
faltered on every measure related to the war, and by 54 to 44 percent, want to go in a significantly
different direction (net +10 points for change). Perhaps most important in
terms of BushХs case for progress and staying the course, a large majority of 55 percent
say the U.S. is losing control there, with only 41 percent thinking we are making progress.
Was the War in Iraq Worth it?

(Pay attention here, Cons)

Bush is very vulnerable to further attacks on the Iraq issue. In this survey, there
were four powerful attacks:

1) Halliburton (no bid contracts, $6 billion in profits, inflated
prices and overcharging the government for troopsХ meals);

2) misled on out-of-control
costs (assured us Iraq would finance own reconstruction, but have spent $166 billion dollars,
after getting the additional $87 billion, now requesting another $25 billion, and they
offer no Iraq budget until after election);

3) war financed with deficit spending paid by
our children;

4) no clear mission for the soldiers or plan for post-war rebuilding leaves us
with nearly 800 American have died in Iraq, as our soldiers now perform tasks they did
not train for, and are sitting ducks.

Each of these raises serious doubts for about 60 percent
of the electorate, including very serious for about 40 percent.
Foreign Policy and the War on Terrorism. The political crash in Iraq is part of a
much bigger pull back from Bush on how America relates to the world and how to keep
America secure. Voters are drawing conclusions, not just about progress and competence;
they are coming to a view of the world very much at odds with BushХs ideology
and policy prescriptions. Even when the presidential debate is compressed to an argu-
BushХs Long Odds
3
ment about security, Bush can only manage a draw Р in the area that is the central purpose
of his presidency.
The country sees a mess in Iraq but more than that, in AmericaХs foreign policy Р
and it matters as much as any other issue. By 52 to 40 percent voters want to go in a significantly
different direction than Bush, rather than continue the current course. The
margin for change has doubled from a month ago to a net +12 points. (At the beginning
of the year, the parties were evenly split.) In our regression models to predict the vote in
2004, views of Bush on foreign policy are as strong as any other issue and significantly
stronger than judgments about the war on terrorism.
Direction on Foreign Policy
40
43 43
46
40
45 44
47
54 54
40
46
44
52
49
47 47
50
47
39
20
40
60
May-03
Jun-03
Jul-03
Aug-03
Sep-03
Oct-03
Nov-03
Dec-03
Jan-04
Feb-04
Mar-04
Apr-04
May-04
Jun-04
Bush Direction Significantly Different Direction
Net
Difference
-14 +10 -15
Bush Direction vs. Significantly Different Direction
-1 -- +2 +1 +4 +6 +12
A large majority has decided it prefers a different way to relate to the world: 52
percent says ТAmericaХs security depends on building strong ties with other nations,У
while just 41 percent agree, Тbottom line, AmericaХs security depends on its own military
strength.У
The publicХs confidence in BushХs handling of the war on terrorism has fallen
steadily this year, collapsing in the last month. In January, the public wanted to continue
BushХs direction on the war on terrorism by 33 points, but that dropped to 26 points in
February, to 22 points in April and to 14 points today (56 to 42 percent).
The result is that Bush cannot win the central debate in the framework he would
hope would shape the election. In the simulated debate below, the resolute foreign pol-
BushХs Long Odds
4
icy, sending signals to rogue nations and terrorist networks to make America secure only
breaks even against the critique of the go-it-alone foreign policy that leaves America less
respected and more hated, with weaker alliances and less secure.
41 38
0
20
40
60
Debate Over Foreign Policy and Security
1st Statement- Strongly
1st Statement- Not so strongly
2nd Statement- Strongly
2nd Statement- Not so strongly
48 47
Net
+1
Our current go-it-alone foreign policy is
producing less respect for America, weaker and
divided international alliances, a hatred of
America that fosters new generations of terrorists.
Bottom line: it leaves us less secure.
Our current foreign policy shows an America
resolute in fighting terrorism and promoting
democracy, that puts AmericaХs interests before
anything else, and that sends a signal to rogue
nations and terrorist networks that there is no place
to hide. Bottom line: it makes us more secure.
ТNow I'm going to read you some pairs of statements. As I read ea ch pair, please tell me whether the FIRST
statement or the SECOND statement comes closer to your own views, even if neither is exactly right.У
Economic frustration. It is time to take the votersХ frustration with the economy
seriously, despite continuing reports on job creation, the strong economy and the good
news that lies ahead. This monthХs results are the most dramatic yet, as Bush drops on
economic measures rival the changes on Iraq. It is possible that elite satisfaction with the
economy and BushХs talk about economic progress is producing an economic backlash in
the country, particularly among average and middle class voters.
Virtually all public polls report a drop in BushХs job ratings on the economy. This
survey re-enforces that: 57 percent want to go in a significantly different direction on the
economy, with 48 percent saying they feel strongly about that. The number for change
has reached over 60 percent for non-college voters. This month, there has been a dramatic
rise, up from 57 to 65 percent, saying there has been economic gains for the highest
earners, but not for the middle class, for whom jobs are scarce and health care costs are
skyrocketing.
BushХs Long Odds
5
65
57
59 59
39
33
37 37
20
40
60
80
Feb-04 Mar-04 Apr-04 May-04 Jun-04
+22 Net
Difference
+22 +18
Uneven Economic Gains vs. Economic Success
There have been economic gains and tax cuts for the biggest corporations and highest
earners, but not for middle class and working Americans. Jobs are scarce, incomes have
barely risen in 3 years, while health care, college and housing costs are skyrocketing.
The economy is showing real signs of success - record growth, highest home ownership ever,
new jobs and rising stock values which shows that the Bush tax cuts are working and our
economy is moving in the right direction.
+32
In assessing why Bush is sinking, not rising with the economy, one has to keep in
mind peopleХs assessment of their own personal financial situation (which has not been
rising, even as it forms a part of the ABC News/Money consumer confidence measure);
the unemployment rate which leaves people with a sense of scarce jobs and low bargaining
power; the strikingly unequal income gains in this recovery; the focus on outsourcing
and reduced benefits for current jobs; and most important, the dramatic rise in costs for
health care and gasoline.
The president has to make the case for the success of his policies, otherwise all is
lost for him, but he faces a paradox rooted in the real lives of average Americans.
The deficits. DonХt underestimate the power of the deficits. Remarkably, this is
the area where votersХ most want to see change from the Bush era: 62 percent, twice the
number who want to continue with Bush. The sense of the budget out of control may be
an important factor contributing to the rising desire for change. As a result, the federal
deficits can be a central element in the critique of the Bush presidency and in the agenda
of a Kerry candidacy.
б When we conducted a simplified message choice between Kerry and Bush, Kerry
won by about 15 points, when we said, ТHe will cut the deficit in half so that Social
Security is protected.У
BushХs Long Odds
6
б One of the top attacks on BushХs Iraq policy centers on the deficits: ТThe war in
Iraq has already cost $166 and Bush now wants ano ther $25 billion. But because
of his tax cuts for the wealthy, we are financing this war through the largest deficits
in history, passing the costs off to our children (61 percent serious doubts).
Two emerging, powerful themes and issue framework. The election has also
moved to a new phase because of deepening emotions in two areas that are starting to
structure the race. First, people are frustrated that America is not tackling itХs own problems,
to make America strong at home as well as abroad. We have lived through almost
three years under the Bush ТwartimeУ presidency, which he wants to continue. But the
public wants to be able to hope for more than that. Second, people are frustrated that the
middle class is having such a tough time, while corporate America and CEOs live so high
in BushХs Washington. Indeed, these frustrations are re-enforcing and can produce a
powerful choice in the election.
1. An ТAmerican prioritiesУ theme tests in the top tier of themes for a Kerry
campaign: ТWe need to work together to stark tackling our problems at home and
building a strong America Р addressing our economy, health care, education and
retirement. We need to work for America to be strong both at home and abroad.У
Without any specificity, this theme moved to the top, with 60 percent responding
they would be more likely to vote for Kerry. It captures an aspiration to bring the
country together to make her strong at home, just as we demand strength against
external threats. The message choices against Bush test 3 points stronger when
they include this set-up.
2. The public responds very strongly to Kerry statements about the importance
of prioritizing the middle class, raising itХs living standards and advancing a middle
class agenda, particularly in light of the corporate excesses and favoritism of
the Bush era. In the graph below, one can see the strong voter response when
Kerry speaks of middle class squeeze and stagnant incomes, CEOs making 150
times as much as the average employee and a middle class agenda: middle class
tax cuts, affordable health care and college. There is a strong response to a Kerry
who speaks of a Т100-percent America, where everyone has a chance for a better
life, not just the privileged few.У Indeed, it is possible to join these impulses, as
Kerry asserts, ТA strong country starts with a strong middle class.У
BushХs Long Odds
7
KERRY THEMES
(Percent Responding)
Much more
likely to support
Total more
likely to support
Today, the middle class is squeezed, while top
CEOs and the wealthiest demand ever more.
CEO's now make 150 times as much as the average
employee in their companies. The average family
has seen only about a 15 percent raise in their income
over the last 25 years and nothing in the last
three. My goal is to shift the balance with middle
class tax cuts, strong steps to cut health care costs
and making college tuition tax deductible.
40 61
We need to work together to start tackling our
problems at home and building a strong America --
addressing our economy, health care, education
and retirement. We need for America to be strong
both at home and abroad.
33 61
A strong country starts with a strong middle class.
That's why everything I do will be judged by that
goal. Cutting middle class taxes, keeping jobs in
America with good wages and benefits, and affordable
health care We need to work together to start
tackling our problems at home and building a
strong America -- addressing our economy, health
care, education and retirement. We need for Ame rica
to be strong both at home and abroad.
38 60
I believe in a 100-percent America, where everyone
has a chance for a better life, not just the privileged
few. An opportunity for education, to care for their
families, affordable health care, and a secure retirement.
America should be admired because we
built a 100-percent country at home.
36 58
I would hope to restore the spirit of JFK's Ame rica.
We must have the military strength to defeat
terrorism and promote freedom, but we should also
be admired for creating a 100-percent America at
home, where everyone has a chance for a better
life, not just the privileged few.
34 55
BushХs Long Odds
8
With Bush losing the debate over foreign policy and Iraq and barely able to win
the debate over security, Kerry is in a position to dominate the emerging debate over the
countryХs future. The public is looking for a leader who will bring people together to
tackle the countryХs problem and make America strong, starting with a strong middle
class.

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