[quote="nate jonesacc"][quote="T-Monay820"] [quote="nate jonesacc"] That is... assuming they have the money to buy a plane ticket... enough people to take over the plane... and what airports do you expect them to use? The ones in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip?

No. None of those airports are in Palestinian territory.

Do you realize that it's nearly impossible for Palestinians to leave the West Bank?

My grandmother was talking to a woman and the woman said this: "My daughter said she wanted to leave the West Bank; to go away, get out of this hell we're living in. I told her that I want to also, but if I drove 15 miles ANY direction, I would be turned right back around."

It is extremely hard to get out of the West Bank. The security at Israeli airports is very strict (much like it's grander counterpart, the USA). Getting to Lebanon or Jordan would be very hard in and of itself. Getting passed security, hijacking the plane and then crashing it into an Israeli military target... that's what you're saying they do?

All that... with very little money. Keep in mind that most of these people don't have ID, passports etc... Getting clearance to fly would be very difficult.

Sounds like a plan! :rolleyes:

nate jonesacc Wrote:All that... with very little money. Keep in mind that most of these people don't have ID, passports etc... Getting clearance to fly would be very difficult.

Sounds like a plan! :rolleyes:

Apparently the people have enough money to buy guns, RPGs, and other explosives. I'm sure they can scrounge up enough to forge a passport. Just cause you're poor doesn't mean you can't find a way to get money. And why would they need clearance to fly?

Because the restrictions on Palestinians are incredible. They can barely walk to work without being harrassed. What you're asking is near impossible. In fact, I'm very surprised everytime there is a suicide bombing. The restrictions are THAT tight.

nate jonesacc Wrote:Because the restrictions on Palestinians are incredible. They can barely walk to work without being harrassed. What you're asking is near impossible. In fact, I'm very surprised everytime there is a suicide bombing. The restrictions are THAT tight.

If you hijack a plane, why would you need clearance?

If you think its impossible, then I can name 11 guys that pulled it off under tighter conditions.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:Because the restrictions on Palestinians are incredible. They can barely walk to work without being harrassed. What you're asking is near impossible. In fact, I'm very surprised everytime there is a suicide bombing. The restrictions are THAT tight.

If you hijack a plane, why would you need clearance?

You need clearance to fly, smart one. Those 11 guys did it after buying tickets and getting clearance to fly.

And not fly the plane, but ride on it, of course.

That brings up another point. You also expect someone to fly the plane after you hijack it. Even more time and money.

T-Monay820 Wrote:If you think its impossible, then I can name 11 guys that pulled it off under tighter conditions.

And a TON more money. And tighter conditions my hair white ******! We don't account for every Arab that crosses our border and keep one eye on every one within our borders! That's how it is in the West Bank. Israeli soldiers are patrolling the West Bank as we speak, just waiting for one guy to look somewhat suspicious so they can blow his head off.

Now THAT is tighter conditions.

nate jonesacc Wrote:1) And not fly the plane, but ride on it, of course.

2) That brings up another point. You also expect someone to fly the plane after you hijack it. Even more time and money.

1) I thought you were talking about takeoff clearance
2) Its called holding the pilot hostage. Then kill them when you're over your target and fly the plane into the target. Not that hard.

nate jonesacc Wrote:And a TON more money. And tighter conditions my hair white ******! We don't account for every Arab that crosses our border and keep one eye on every one within our borders! That's how it is in the West Bank. Israeli soldiers are patrolling the West Bank as we speak, just waiting for one guy to look somewhat suspicious so they can blow his head off.

Now THAT is tighter conditions.

Right. So the ability of the CIA to attain information on anyone in the country from birth days to the last dentist appointments isn't tighter security?

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T-Monay820 Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:1) And not fly the plane, but ride on it, of course.

2) That brings up another point. You also expect someone to fly the plane after you hijack it. Even more time and money.

1) I thought you were talking about takeoff clearance
2) Its called holding the pilot hostage. Then kill them when you're over your target and fly the plane into the target. Not that hard.

FWIW... the 9/11 hijackers took flying classes before they hijacked the plane because they knew that someone was going to have to fly the plane after they hijacked it. The same way someone else from Palestine would.

And you're assuming that the pilot will do what you say instead of just crashing the plane into a field or sand dune. Not knowing how to fly the plane is a tremendous risk, based on the assumption that the pilot will do everything you say.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:And a TON more money. And tighter conditions my hair white ******! We don't account for every Arab that crosses our border and keep one eye on every one within our borders! That's how it is in the West Bank. Israeli soldiers are patrolling the West Bank as we speak, just waiting for one guy to look somewhat suspicious so they can blow his head off.

Now THAT is tighter conditions.

Right. So the ability of the CIA to attain information on anyone in the country from birth days to the last dentist appointments isn't tighter security?

That all assumes they're legal immigrants...

nate jonesacc Wrote:

T-Monay820 Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:And a TON more money. And tighter conditions my hair white ******! We don't account for every Arab that crosses our border and keep one eye on every one within our borders! That's how it is in the West Bank. Israeli soldiers are patrolling the West Bank as we speak, just waiting for one guy to look somewhat suspicious so they can blow his head off.

Now THAT is tighter conditions.

Right. So the ability of the CIA to attain information on anyone in the country from birth days to the last dentist appointments isn't tighter security?

That all assumes they're legal immigrants...

It doesn't matter if they are legal or not. They can track you anyway. If you enter information, they can find it and connect it to a face.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:

T-Monay820 Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:And a TON more money. And tighter conditions my hair white ******! We don't account for every Arab that crosses our border and keep one eye on every one within our borders! That's how it is in the West Bank. Israeli soldiers are patrolling the West Bank as we speak, just waiting for one guy to look somewhat suspicious so they can blow his head off.

Now THAT is tighter conditions.

Right. So the ability of the CIA to attain information on anyone in the country from birth days to the last dentist appointments isn't tighter security?

That all assumes they're legal immigrants...

It doesn't matter if they are legal or not. They can track you anyway. If you enter information, they can find it and connect it to a face.

You really think they had all the info they wanted/needed on the 9/11 hijackers? No, they didn't. They still don't know everything they want(ed) to.

The Israel government is very high tech, also. They have every Palestinian who lives in the West Bank or Gaza Strip on lockdown. They will know if you are trying to fly out of one of their airports.

It's sheer ignorance to think that there is NO way to attack a military complex. I can name several occurrences of things that took place that "Just Can't Happen"

Pearl Harbor
World Trade Towers
The Pentagon
Kobar Towers
2 Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania
The USS Cole
The USMC barracks in Lebanon
etc.
etc.

These were all previously invulnerable to the attacks that happened to them.

With your attitude, I pray to God that no one makes you a security analyst.

..and the Palestinians aren't as poor as you say they are. They are funded by Saudi, Iraq....or was, and other Islamic nations. Arafat has his own damn plane.


again, the freeist Palestinians in the world reside within the borders of Israel.

The Palestinians are EXTREMELY poor... the Saudi government doesn't give them jackshit. The only thing our aid money can go to is relief... not military or terrorism. There are strings attached to US foreign aid.

All of the above were very well funded operations.

nate jonesacc Wrote:The only thing our aid money can go to is relief... not military or terrorism.

Yeah, well, THAT was an ignorant statment. There are MANY despots out there that receive aid and their countries starve. Iraq is a good example. We give money to the governments because we can't circumvent them without creating an international incident. Hmmmm, who controls the Gov't of "Palestine"? {Tongue in Cheek}

RebelKev Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:The only thing our aid money can go to is relief... not military or terrorism.

Yeah, well, THAT was an ignorant statment. There are MANY despots out there that receive aid and their countries starve. Iraq is a good example. We give money to the governments because we can't circumvent them without creating an international incident. Hmmmm, who controls the Gov't of "Palestine"? {Tongue in Cheek}

What you obviously don't understand is the strings attached to aid. There's a difference for aid for relief and gross foreign aid (like to Israel).

Ya know Bush's 15 billion to Africa for AIDS? That can't be spent on military, only AIDS... just like the aid to the Palestinians can only be spent on relief.