Nate: I, for one, enjoy hearing about your trip. Fortunately, a sizeable portion of people in any country will treat a visitor with decency, and leave politics out of the discussion. In France, I don't care for elements of their government, and I can't stand Jose Bove (sp?) and his ilk. But I've come across pretty nice people over there when I visited a few years ago as well.

BTW, I think Jospin - another candidate who lost to Chirac - would've been worse than Le Pen.

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August 30, 2003

Damn you are full of yourself. :rolleyes:

edit cause I was talking about Nate and not Motown

nate jonesacc Wrote:Versailles, ya know, the treaty that started WW2

Hmm........

Motown Bronco Wrote:Nate: I, for one, enjoy hearing about your trip. Fortunately, a sizeable portion of people in any country will treat a visitor with decency, and leave politics out of the discussion. In France, I don't care for elements of their government, and I can't stand Jose Bove (sp?) and his ilk. But I've come across pretty nice people over there when I visited a few years ago as well.

BTW, I think Jospin - another candidate who lost to Chirac - would've been worse than Le Pen.

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August 30, 2003

Thanks for your rational response.

I don't like the French government, either. I think Chirac is a bigtime hypocrite and some of the things France's government has done over the years are horrible. I was more referring to RebelKev, who often makes claims like "(France) has nothing we couldn't produce ourselves", and "We have better beaches, more diversity in food, screw the Louvre, that nasty-a-ss River Seine, and their arrogant manners", and "Paris is the rudest place I've ever had the displeasure of visiting.", "Screw France.", "....and we don't need the damn Mona Lisa ANYWAY!", "What FRANCE is is arrogant. " etc... and making stupid pontifications he obviously knows very little about. <a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/ncaa/invision/index.php?act=ST&f=31&t=7382&st=100' target='_blank'>Link, by the way</a>

And LePen had a better chance than any other candidate, but you're right, he is better than some, which is a scary thought.

RebelKev Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:Versailles, ya know, the treaty that started WW2

Hmm........

Don't kid yourself buddy. There's no way in hell Hitler could have risen to power w/o the Treaty of Versailles.

nate jonesacc Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:Versailles, ya know, the treaty that started WW2

Hmm........

Don't kid yourself buddy. There's no way in hell Hitler could have risen to power w/o the Treaty of Versailles.

...and you know this because??????? Most of his military might was built underground and when light WAS made of it, it was OUR complacency that allowed him to build it up by "letting slide" a few reports here and there. ...and it's not like France was going to do anything about it. Hell, they turned over Jews to Germany to appease Hitler.


BTW, I have yet to figure out how the Treaty of Versailles started WWII. Enlighten us. :rolleyes:

nate jonesacc Wrote:"(France) has nothing we couldn't produce ourselves", and "We have better beaches, more diversity in food, screw the Louvre, that nasty-a-ss River Seine, and their arrogant manners", and "Paris is the rudest place I've ever had the displeasure of visiting.", "Screw France.", "....and we don't need the damn Mona Lisa ANYWAY!", "What FRANCE is is arrogant. " etc...

Anything france does we can do better, except lose and ****** out at the last minute. Wait, liberals do it all the time. As far as the Mona Lisa goes, its not even french.

RebelKev Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:Versailles, ya know, the treaty that started WW2

Hmm........

Don't kid yourself buddy. There's no way in hell Hitler could have risen to power w/o the Treaty of Versailles.

...and you know this because??????? Most of his military might was built underground and when light WAS made of it, it was OUR complacency that allowed him to build it up by "letting slide" a few reports here and there. ...and it's not like France was going to do anything about it. Hell, they turned over Jews to Germany to appease Hitler.


BTW, I have yet to figure out how the Treaty of Versailles started WWII. Enlighten us. :rolleyes:

The incredible and insurmountable economic and militaristic sanctions put on Germany were the reason for the incredible poverty of the 1920s in Germany. Without that poverty, very few would have listened to Hitler's schtick. But, because there was nothing to live for in Germany at the time, they listened to this guy with a great hope for the future.

Hindsight's 20/20 and there is NO WAY you can ascertain what would have happened and what actually allowed him to come into power. That region had been war-torn for centuries, that was nothing new.

....and if your theory is correct(poverty and all), what happened to us after the 30's depression? Why did WE turn out the way WE did? You can't ascertain a damn thing. You are only offering your opinion and trying to pass it off as fact. I'm not buying it. They started WWI....and they started WWII. Hitler was only in power for the latter.

...and I also want to know your how you think the Treaty CAUSED WWII, when it was signed in 1919. You act as if we should have never signed a damn treaty. You can't blame the freaking treaty for the actions of a lunatic. Are you going to blame our freedom and the US Constitution for 9/11? ....'cause I can make a damn good relation as to why we were attacked, and it DOES have a TON to do with our way of life.

....sooooo, let's not place blame where it is due, let's blame something else. Kinda like it being McDonald's fault because some lard ****** gains another 40 Lbs.

The treaty was signed in 1919. There of course should have been a treaty... but it was entirely too harsh on Germany. If someone tried to start a rebellion now, in the US, there is no way in hell it would work. Don't be so freakin naive. Where there is a need and someone willing to address the need, there is a connection. If Germany wasn't a POS of a country when Hitler came around, people would have thought he was a lunatic (like he was, but they were unable to see it, they only saw the man who was going to "bring the country back to greatness and wealth".)

I agree, that fat **** is a moron... don't eat the food you moron!

RebelKev Wrote:Hindsight's 20/20 and there is NO WAY you can ascertain what would have happened and what actually allowed him to come into power. That region had been war-torn for centuries, that was nothing new.

....and if your theory is correct(poverty and all), what happened to us after the 30's depression? Why did WE turn out the way WE did? You can't ascertain a damn thing. You are only offering your opinion and trying to pass it off as fact. I'm not buying it. They started WWI....and they started WWII. Hitler was only in power for the latter.

...and I also want to know your how you think the Treaty CAUSED WWII, when it was signed in 1919. You act as if we should have never signed a damn treaty. You can't blame the freaking treaty for the actions of a lunatic. Are you going to blame our freedom and the US Constitution for 9/11? ....'cause I can make a damn good relation as to why we were attacked, and it DOES have a TON to do with our way of life.

....sooooo, let's not place blame where it is due, let's blame something else. Kinda like it being McDonald's fault because some lard ****** gains another 40 Lbs.

The Treaty of Versailles was an embarrassment to the German people, and since Hitler openly defied the treaty he was able to gain their support.

Jenibu Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:Hindsight's 20/20 and there is NO WAY you can ascertain what would have happened and what actually allowed him to come into power. That region had been war-torn for centuries, that was nothing new.

....and if your theory is correct(poverty and all), what happened to us after the 30's depression? Why did WE turn out the way WE did? You can't ascertain a damn thing. You are only offering your opinion and trying to pass it off as fact. I'm not buying it. They started WWI....and they started WWII. Hitler was only in power for the latter.

...and I also want to know your how you think the Treaty CAUSED WWII, when it was signed in 1919. You act as if we should have never signed a damn treaty. You can't blame the freaking treaty for the actions of a lunatic. Are you going to blame our freedom and the US Constitution for 9/11? ....'cause I can make a damn good relation as to why we were attacked, and it DOES have a TON to do with our way of life.

....sooooo, let's not place blame where it is due, let's blame something else. Kinda like it being McDonald's fault because some lard ****** gains another 40 Lbs.

The Treaty of Versailles was an embarrassment to the German people, and since Hitler openly defied the treaty he was able to gain their support.

......an embarassment? I don't suppose anymore than getting their asses handed to them by a country only 143 years old.

If they didn't want to be embarassed, the idiots shouldn't have started WWI and blamed it on an assassination in Serbia.


....and I am speaking as someone with Kaiser and Grusendorf in my paternal and maternal lineage.

RebelKev Wrote:

Jenibu Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:Hindsight's 20/20 and there is NO WAY you can ascertain what would have happened and what actually allowed him to come into power. That region had been war-torn for centuries, that was nothing new.

....and if your theory is correct(poverty and all), what happened to us after the 30's depression? Why did WE turn out the way WE did? You can't ascertain a damn thing. You are only offering your opinion and trying to pass it off as fact. I'm not buying it. They started WWI....and they started WWII. Hitler was only in power for the latter.

...and I also want to know your how you think the Treaty CAUSED WWII, when it was signed in 1919. You act as if we should have never signed a damn treaty. You can't blame the freaking treaty for the actions of a lunatic. Are you going to blame our freedom and the US Constitution for 9/11? ....'cause I can make a damn good relation as to why we were attacked, and it DOES have a TON to do with our way of life.

....sooooo, let's not place blame where it is due, let's blame something else. Kinda like it being McDonald's fault because some lard ****** gains another 40 Lbs.

The Treaty of Versailles was an embarrassment to the German people, and since Hitler openly defied the treaty he was able to gain their support.

......an embarassment? I don't suppose anymore than getting their asses handed to them by a country only 143 years old.

If they didn't want to be embarassed, the idiots shouldn't have started WWI and blamed it on an assassination in Serbia.


....and I am speaking as someone with Kaiser and Grusendorf in my paternal and maternal lineage.

Yeah, it was the German citizens who declared war in WW1... not the government. :rolleyes:

The Treaty of Versailles put Germany under such economic sanctions they were willing to listen to ANYONE (even a lunatic) who would provide hope for the future.