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Calling the Hogs:

I did not ignore the fact that an occasional Fredonian depends on welfare and other government services (such as Social Security). As I wrote:

Quote:So Fredonia is able to raise $590,000 annually to operate its society. Part of that includes helping out Persons A through E. They don't have much dough, and life is hard for them. Their thatch rooves are collapsing. Two just don't earn enough money to feed their kids. A couple are old and sickly and can't work. One is the village idiot.

I just didn't use the word welfare. It is implied, I think, that Persons A and B are receiving welfare.

Further, I would suggest that while we are both putting together profiles of the American public out of our asses (for the sake of simplicity) I would suggest that my scenario is closer to reality, at least so far as we talk about the five people at the bottom of the scale.

You are suggesting that for every elderly person on Social Security, there are three people who are not only on welfare -- but there because of simple laziness.

I think you have exaggerated twice here -- both about the ratio of Social Security-eligible elderly to welfare receipients and about the proportion of welfare recipients who are lazy.

Feel free to prove me wrong. I'd love to see some studies on the question you raise. Can you establish, precisely, how many welfare receipients are there due to laziness? Can you describe the typical churn of a welfare roll -- the proportion of welfare recipients who stay on for fewer than six months, for instance?

I'm pretty secure in the idea that you exaggerate the facts. And this leads you to a conclusion I also vehemently disagree with.

You seem primed to assume everyone on welfare is lazy, and that taking away benefits will force all to find jobs.

Obviously, an end to welfare benefits will prompt some to find work because they were previously lazy.

But to assert all will find jobs? That's horsepucky.

And I'm also offended by the fact that only the poor come undercriticism for laziness.

The Bush administration has long pushed for tax cuts on capital gains. Capital gains amount to income earned without working -- income that can be earned without ever getting out of bed in the morning.

Far too many people, it seems to me, want to punish laziness when it is a trait of poor people but reward it when it is a fact of life for the wealthy.

Back to welfare: The reality of life under President Bush is that America does not have enough jobs to go around. Unemployment is about 6.2 percent. Even the most optimistic economists will never assert full employment ranges above 5 percent -- and some argue the actual mark is lower than that.

Know, too, that the unemployment statistics fail to capture people who no longer even seek jobs because they have given up looking. The statistics do not include them. If they did, our unemployment rate would be higher.

The simple reality is this: America doesn't have enough jobs to go around. If everyone now on a welfare roll today were to find a job tommorrow, an entirely new set of people will find themselves without jobs. There just aren't enough to go around.

This scarcity of jobs is is practically hardwired into our economic system. The only time America has reached full employment since 1970 was for a few years under President Clinton.

And if we know there aren't enough jobs to go around, then isn't it our moral duty to ensure at least a meager standard of living for those who will inevitably become jobless and on the bottom of the heap?

I believe this is our moral duty -- in great part because children have no say in the matter of whether or not their parents work.

Children don't choose to be poor. Indeed, the welfare system is structured around this fact. That's why the program was called Aid to Families with Dependent Children and designed to benefit children. While some states offer a small stipend for so-called able bodied people without children, many do not. Offering welfare to people who do not have children is not federally-mandated.

Living on welfare isn't fun. It isn't lucrative. And if you believe it is an attractive option, then there are a ton of policy makers who would welcome suggestions on how to help people who happen to be lazy -- however many of them there might be, and we obviously disagree on that -- off these welfare rolls and into productive jobs.

But, keep in mind, America doesn't have enough jobs to go around. This is the usual state of the American economy.

I give you credit for acknowledging that one of your real goals is to cut government services.

But we disagree on that. I believe we need the services that you would cut. Rather than forcing all people to work, I believe eliminating welfare will simply make people on the bottom of the heap poorer, dooming many of our children to a frightful existence.

To do this -- and primarily so the wealthy can pay less money in taxes?

It is horrifyingly immoral. I'll go further. I believe it is unChristian.

I believe in a progressive income tax. Those who do best by America should shoulder a bit more of the responsibilty for paying for those things we've all decided -- through the wisdom of our elected officials -- that we need.

I agree that lawmakers can make blindingly stupid decisions on how to spend money. But the solution shouldn't involve shifting the burden of paying for America away from the rich and onto the middle class and the poor. That's what you propose, whether that payment comes in the form of bigger tax bills or cuts in services.

And I believe it is immoral and unChristian.
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Schadenfreude Wrote:The Bush administration has long pushed for tax cuts on capital gains. Capital gains amount to income earned without working -- income that can be earned without ever getting out of bed in the morning.
And? So F-ing what! They used THEIR damn money to invest. They made their money work for them and you have a problem with it? Let's say it together, "SO F-ING WHAT". I guess YOU can get over it, can't you? It's not your damn money and although you would want to see this country a Socialist Utopia, it isn't, nor will it EVER be while I'm alive. You want to help people? Then help people. I do as well, but I DO want it to be voluntary.
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Schadenfreude Wrote:The reality of life under President Bush is that America does not have enough jobs to go around. Unemployment is about 6.2 percent. Even the most optimistic economists will never assert full employment ranges above 5 percent -- and some argue the actual mark is lower than that.


And I believe it is immoral and unChristian.
....and another thing, compare the United States' unemployment with Germany or any other Socialist state. Americans are proud. Too damn proud. When they lose their job, they don't want to move to find work. They don't want to take a lower paying job. They want to sit on their asses and ***** about the President that had NOTHING to do with the damn economy. Clinton was more detrimental to our economy than Bush. High taxation NEVER equals a boosted economy.


....and stop throwing that "Christian" word around. It is apparent you only bring it up when it suits you.
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Where do I start? hmmmm....

First off, there are TONS of welfare citizens who just sit on their gov't check and do nothing. If you don't believe that, you're dreaming. They don't want to work, they want the check, that's all. I will admit that I might have been too harsh in saying too many welfare residents are lazy. What I will say though is that if they want a job, they'll find one soon enough though. I looked in today's Fayetteville Morning News...over 6 pages of "Help Wanted'' ads. There are jobs out there..people just need to jump up and take them.

Secondly, so many quotes on these. Confucious "Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime"...and Lincoln "Let him who is houseless not tear down the house of another man, but let him learn to build his own house, therefore making him prouder of his own accomplishment". I agree there needs to be a safety net for children and extremely poor families, and especially those who suffered in a natural disaster (aka a tornado, hurricane, etc.). Where I stand though is that this net is too damn big, soft, and people are not getting out of it. That doesn't work.

America shouldn't have to spoonfeed people. Don't you get even a LITTLE frustrated at having to spend money you earn so a guy can sit on his couch, eat chips and dip all day, not life a finger, and get your $$ for doing that? Too many people have been living off workers' paychecks for too long. Welfare should have limits.

I never said we should eliminate welfare. I do say we should limit it..put a time frame on it, so that people have to make something for themselves eventually. The Declaration of Independence says "life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness", not life, liberty, and happiness thrust upon them.

Also... how DARE you tell me any of my views are un-Christian. That's going too low. I disagree with your views...but far-left radical, and socialist is my limit. Challenging my faith is WAY over the line, and you should be ashamed for saying a remark like that.

And, by the way... about taxes for the rich/poor....in the early Biblical times, the rich and the poor paid the EXACT same amount in taxes. Check it out

"The rich shall not pay more and the poor shall not pay less than the half shekel, when you give the contribution to the LORD to make atonement for yourselves." (Exodus 30:15)

So all your talk about a national sales tax being immoral and un-Christian is out the window. How about we go back to everyone paying the same amount of taxes, rich or poor, in Biblical times? You'd freak out then wouldn't you?

If you keep feeding the bird in the nest, he'll never learn how to fly. Whether he falls or not is his problem...but eventually, you have to let go. A sales tax trims the pork, limits welfare, makes government more efficient, and betters the American economy because the rich, who spend the most from the beginning, will only spend more.

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Schadenfreude Wrote:And I believe it is immoral and unChristian.
:roflol: Since when did you become a Christian?

"Take 'In God we Trust' off the money! The Ten Commandments shouldn't be in a govn't building! Children shouldn't be forced to say the Pledge because it has the word 'God' in it!"

Please, drop the acting. You are one of the most unChristian people here.

As far as Kev's statement on the Socialist Utopia, I've got your back dogg! As long as Kev and I are on this planet, America ain't gonna become this "liberal paradise". Its gonna remain its wonderful Capitalist self, which is what it was orginially intended to be by our Founding Fathers, not a bunch of liberals trying to interpret the Constitution to thier pleasing.
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T-Monay820 Wrote:
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Quote:We all know that far-left, Shad-like, near socialist economies DO NOT WORK. Need examples? Try Cuba for one.

Does the fact that Argentina has failed negate all the virtues of capitalism?
This proves one thing. SHAD IS A DAMN COMMIE! No one that's in their right mind would say this.
I'm tired of being called a communist, you dumb ******. I'm not a communist.

This was a rhetorical question. Of *course* the utter failure of Argentina doesn't negate the virtues of capitalism...

... just as Cuba doesn't automatically negate the idea that our government ought to make sure everyone has a basic level of health care in this country.

Virtually every industrialized country in the world provides its citizens with a minimum level of health care. America spends a greater percentage of its gross national product on health care than any of these countries.

Yet whenever I suggest America might want to insure everyone gets a minimum level of health care (and, perhaps at the same time, reign in costs), some dumb mother****er comes along mentioning "Cuba."

That's dumb. That's like saying capitalism is a utter failure because of Argentina.

The point obviously sailed way over heads here.
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RebelKev Wrote:
Schadenfreude Wrote:The reality of life under President Bush is that America does not have enough jobs to go around. Unemployment is about 6.2 percent. Even the most optimistic economists will never assert full employment ranges above 5 percent -- and some argue the actual mark is lower than that.


And I believe it is immoral and unChristian.
....and another thing, compare the United States' unemployment with Germany or any other Socialist state. Americans are proud. Too damn proud. When they lose their job, they don't want to move to find work. They don't want to take a lower paying job. They want to sit on their asses and ***** about the President that had NOTHING to do with the damn economy. Clinton was more detrimental to our economy than Bush. High taxation NEVER equals a boosted economy.


....and stop throwing that "Christian" word around. It is apparent you only bring it up when it suits you.
<a href='http://europa.eu.int/comm/employment_social/news/2003/jul/eurostat_may03_en.html' target='_blank'>http://europa.eu.int/comm/employment_socia...t_may03_en.html</a>

I'm taking a leap and assuming that the European Union calculates its unemployment rate in roughly the same way as the United States.

The Dutch unemployment rate is 3.9 percent, and the Dutch have a national health care system.

The Austrian unemployment rate is 4.3 percent, and the Austrians have a national health care system.

The Irish unemployment rate is 4.6 percent, and the Irish have a national health care system.

The Danish unemployment rate is 5.2 percent, and the Danes have a national health care system.

The Japanese unemployment rate is 5.4 percent, and the Japanese have a national health care system.

We Americans have a 6.2 percent unemployment rate. We spend a greater percentage of our gross national product on health care than the countries I've listed above. And we don't have universal health care.
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Quote:First off, there are TONS of welfare citizens who just sit on their gov't check and do nothing. If you don't believe that, you're dreaming.

This is the belief that leads you to your conclusions. But it is a belief. You haven't backed that up with any real evidence.

Quote:What I will say though is that if they want a job, they'll find one soon enough though. I looked in today's Fayetteville Morning News...over 6 pages of "Help Wanted'' ads. There are jobs out there..people just need to jump up and take them.

The unemployment rate is 6.2 percent. That means 6.2 percent of the Americans who are looking for a job have not found one.

By no definition is that full employment.

Quote:I agree there needs to be a safety net for children and extremely poor families, and especially those who suffered in a natural disaster (aka a tornado, hurricane, etc.). Where I stand though is that this net is too damn big, soft, and people are not getting out of it.

Is the net too soft? Or are people unable to get out of it? Those are two very different concepts.

Before the welcare reform law President Clinton signed into law in 1996, a single parent with no particular skills to speak of could grab a near minimum wage job. But, in doing so, she would also have to forgo her health insurance and spend most of the money she had left on day care.

Is this the net being soft, or is this people simply being unable to get out of it?

Soft in context, maybe. But soft? Poverty is soft?

I'd argue the real answer is the later -- it was just damn hard to get out.

Welfare reform did help. It made money available to those who needed help for day care. It also allowed people to earn some money and stay on Medicaid, at least for a while. It blunted the disincentives to work.

The welfare rolls shrank a great deal. Part of this was due to the reforms I've just mentioned. Part of this was also the roaring Clinton economy, which made more jobs available, forcing wages up for the sort of no-skill jobs people on the welfare rolls are qualified to do.

The jobs aren't there any more, and the welfare rolls are growing again.

Quote:Don't you get even a LITTLE frustrated at having to spend money you earn so a guy can sit on his couch, eat chips and dip all day, not life a finger, and get your $$ for doing that?

No. You make poverty sound luxurious. It isn't.

Quote:I never said we should eliminate welfare. I do say we should limit it..put a time frame on it, so that people have to make something for themselves eventually.

Welfare reform included time limits -- no more than two years in a row, and five years in a lifetime.

I don't tend to see these time limits as as much of factor in getting people off the welare rolls.

Quote:Also... how DARE you tell me any of my views are un-Christian. That's going too low. I disagree with your views...but far-left radical, and socialist is my limit. Challenging my faith is WAY over the line, and you should be ashamed for saying a remark like that.

I apologize if you inferred that I was calling you unChristian.

But I'm not going to apologize for my interpretation of the lessons that Jesus taught us.

Would Jesus support a massive tax cut for the rich, greater taxes for the poor, and cuts in services that those of us who are not rich depend on?

I just don't believe he would. I don't.

Compassion for the poor is a heavy theme to the life of Jesus -- and throwing out our income tax to pay for a sales tax lacks that compassion on many levels. This is my belief.

I don't believe Jesus would support such a thing.

Quote:And, by the way... about taxes for the rich/poor....in the early Biblical times, the rich and the poor paid the EXACT same amount in taxes. Check it out

"The rich shall not pay more and the poor shall not pay less than the half shekel, when you give the contribution to the LORD to make atonement for yourselves." (Exodus 30:15)

This is not a commentary on what rich and poor owe Caesar. This is a commentary on what they owe the Lord.

11 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

12 When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them.

13 This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs:) an half shekel shall be the offering of the LORD.

14 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.

15 The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.

16 And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.


I'm not a Bible scholar, but I know enough to know that a half-shekel isn't much money. A gerah is equal to about three American cents according to this source:

<a href='http://www.htmlbible.com/kjv30/nave/nave1985.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.htmlbible.com/kjv30/nave/nave1985.htm</a>

If so, we are talking about 30 cents from rich and poor.

Other sources put the value as "two days labor." Even that isn't a lot of money.

These are symbolic donations to the Lord. That appears to be a common Jewish interpretation of the verse. The money was used to maintain the temple, I believe -- and, notably, not for welfare or Israeli defense.

One could not run the U.S. military on two days labor per person -- to say nothing of 30 cents per person.

Quote:How about we go back to everyone paying the same amount of taxes, rich or poor, in Biblical times? You'd freak out then wouldn't you?

The first federal income tax came during the Lincoln administration. It was progressive. It levied 3 percent on all income over $800, thus exempting most Americans.

<a href='http://www.tax.org/Museum/1861-1865.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.tax.org/Museum/1861-1865.htm</a>

This was, roughly, the structure of the federal income tax when it returned in 1913.

If you want to take our national tax system back to 1,000 years before Christ, that's your right to lobby for it.

I'm satisfied with Abraham Lincoln's model.
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Quote:We all know that far-left, Shad-like, near socialist economies DO NOT WORK. Need examples? Try Cuba for one.

Does the fact that Argentina has failed negate all the virtues of capitalism?
This proves one thing. SHAD IS A DAMN COMMIE! No one that's in their right mind would say this.
I'm tired of being called a communist, you dumb ******. I'm not a communist.

This was a rhetorical question. Of *course* the utter failure of Argentina doesn't negate the virtues of capitalism...

... just as Cuba doesn't automatically negate the idea that our government ought to make sure everyone has a basic level of health care in this country.

Virtually every industrialized country in the world provides its citizens with a minimum level of health care. America spends a greater percentage of its gross national product on health care than any of these countries.

Yet whenever I suggest America might want to insure everyone gets a minimum level of health care (and, perhaps at the same time, reign in costs), some dumb mother****er comes along mentioning "Cuba."

That's dumb. That's like saying capitalism is a utter failure because of Argentina.

The point obviously sailed way over heads here.
The original statment was that socialistic countries don't work. An example is Cuba. Then you add in by saying that just because capitalism doesn't work in Argentina doesn't mean it doesn't work as a whole. This means you are trying to say that just because Cuba isn't a sucessful socialistic/communist country doesn't mean socialism/communism fails as a whole. Thus proving your support of a totalitaran style of government, YOU'RE A ****ING COMMIE! STOP TRYING TO COVER IT UP BY PLAYING ON WORDS! YOU'VE PROVED THIS HUNDREDS OF TIMES FROM YOUR HATRED OF CHRISTIANITY, AMERICA, AND CAPITALISM! JUST SHUT THE HELL UP AND ADMIT IT YOU STUPID SOB! I'M TIRED OF PLAYING NICE, YOUR ****** IS MINE YOU GODLESS MOTHER****ER!
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Quote:The original statment was that socialistic countries don't work. An example is Cuba. Then you add in by saying that just because capitalism doesn't work in Argentina doesn't mean it doesn't work as a whole. This means you are trying to say that just because Cuba isn't a sucessful socialistic/communist country doesn't mean socialism/communism fails as a whole.

You have no idea about the difference between communism and socialism, do you?
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Quote:The original statment was that socialistic countries don't work. An example is Cuba. Then you add in by saying that just because capitalism doesn't work in Argentina doesn't mean it doesn't work as a whole. This means you are trying to say that just because Cuba isn't a sucessful socialistic/communist country doesn't mean socialism/communism fails as a whole.

You have no idea about the difference between communism and socialism, do you?
Once again, playing on words. The two forms of government are close enough in operation that seperating them into two different groups is hardly worth the effort. Both are the opposite of American ideals and both are oppressive of their people by placing control under a single totalitarian regime. Your support of both is both stupid and extremely unAmerican. Sorry, but thats the way it works. Thanks for proving yet another one of my points, that you play on words.
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Quote:Once again, playing on words. The two forms of government are close enough in operation that seperating them into two different groups is hardly worth the effort.

People here are fond of calling France socialist. You don't think there is perhaps a wee bit of difference between the likes of France and Cuba, China and Vietnam (the only three overtly communist countries I can think of off hand).

Quote:Both are the opposite of American ideals

Says you.

I don't see where the U.S. constitution says "thou shall not have a national health care system."

I don't see where the U.S. constitution says "thou shall be strict Darwinian capitalists."

America is what we make of it. That's my belief.

Quote:and both are oppressive of their people by placing control under a single totalitarian regime.

I think the French and the Swedes would be shocked to learn they live under totalitarian regimes.

And, if you believe a national health care system is a litmus test for "socialism," then are you also arguing that the Canadians live under a totalitarian regime? The Dutch? The British?

They might be surprised to know that.

Quote:Your support of both is both stupid and extremely unAmerican.

I love my country. And I'm not stupid.
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What the F is a Darwinian capitalist?

By the way, you are for controls, hinderances, and seizures.

Someone has to pay for all of this which you support. It's not their responsibility, deal with it. If they want to, fine. They can do it voluntarily. I am for freedom across the board. EVERYTHING you advocate hurts someone else.

...and no Schad, the government and this country is NOT what we make of it. As we, the people, can't pass laws we have to elect people to do so. .....and they are bound by the US Constitution.
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I love my country. And I'm not stupid.
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