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the point i'm trying to make is that he's had 3 subpar starts in a row.
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And why is that such a big deal? If he were getting lit up it would be one thing.....
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is a 6.48 ERA in his last 3 games, mean he's getting lit up? I think so. Six and a half ERA definitely means you're getting lit up.
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Did you vote GDawgs? I voted for Ortiz and looks like I'm the only one so far.
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Herd Fan 4-Life Wrote:Did you vote GDawgs? I voted for Ortiz and looks like I'm the only one so far.
Thanks Herd Fan. I guess I'm not the only one who picked Ortiz. I'll go vote now.
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09-08-2003 10:51 AM |
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flyingswoosh Wrote:is a 6.48 ERA in his last 3 games, mean he's getting lit up? I think so. Six and a half ERA definitely means you're getting lit up.
No. I watched all 3 games. He did not get lit up.
Herd Fan can tell you about getting lit up.
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09-08-2003 10:55 AM |
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What is your definition of getting lit up?
Can anyone tell me why they think Ortiz should win cy young, leaving out the reason that he has more wins than schmidt?
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09-08-2003 02:14 PM |
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flyingswoosh Wrote:What is your definition of getting lit up?
Can anyone tell me why they think Ortiz should win cy young, leaving out the reason that he has more wins than schmidt?
1. Go look at Greg Maddux's first 3 starts. THAT is getting lit up.
2. I've given you plenty of reasons already. I don't know why you need anymore.
Can't you just see that I'm a big homer?
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I understand that you're a homer, but you still need to be rational.
You gave me two reasons why you think Ortiz should be cy young. you said, the braves rotation would be lost without him and he has 4 more wins than schmidt. We already made it clear that cy young has nothing to do with MVP. I'm pretty much saying that ortiz isn't any better, just because the braves rotation would be lost without him. So now i'm saying take away the Wins' argument. Now, can you add any more reasons?
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flyingswoosh Wrote:I understand that you're a homer, but you still need to be rational.
Homers are never rational.
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YOU put Ortiz up as a Cy Young candidate. Not ME. YOU. If you didn't want we voting for Ortiz than why did you put him up there in the first place? The goal of a pitcher is to win. Ortiz has the most wins in the National League. To me that makes him the best pitcher.
I do respect your opinion flyingswoosh, but you have to let me have mine too.
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Was that rational enough?
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GDawgs88 Wrote:Herd Fan can tell you about getting lit up.
Sky rockets in flight, brother!!
And there goes ANOTHER one!! :wave: :wave:
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Ortiz picked up another win tonight. He definately gets my vote.
Swoosh, chill out. If you don't want us to pick someone besides your beloved Giants, then don't put them in your poll.
You put them in there, we picked them. I don't have to give you a reason why I picked Ortiz. To me he's the best pitcher in the NL...and apparently GDawgs thinks so too. I don't want to go on and on and on and on trying to argue about something that you will NEVER let go.
Me thinks you soon could be the only contestant in your polls.
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flyingswoosh Wrote:but you still need to be rational.
Pot----->meet kettle!
Lemme guess, you want a reason why I posted that, right? :stupid:
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you're right the goal of a pitcher is to win, but Ortiz has a 3.82 ERA. no pitcher has ever won cy young with an ERA like that. He's getting 6.40 runs per game, that's the only reason he's winning.
Ortiz pitched poorly again last night, and walked another 5 guys, while again only throwing 6 innings. That doesn't seem like a cy young winner to me.
If you want to know why i put Ortiz on there, it's because, i copied the ESPN poll and then threw in Webb.
By the way, 10MAN, have you said anything that has to do with this thread, or have you just made fun of me?
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GDawgs88 Wrote:YOU put Ortiz up as a Cy Young candidate. Not ME. YOU. If you didn't want we voting for Ortiz than why did you put him up there in the first place? The goal of a pitcher is to win. Ortiz has the most wins in the National League. To me that makes him the best pitcher.
I do respect your opinion flyingswoosh, but you have to let me have mine too.
Of course i'm letting you have your opinion, what do you think you've been posting this whole time. Also, Isn't the point of all of these message boards to argue, based on everyone's opinions?
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flyingswoosh Wrote:you're right the goal of a pitcher is to win, but Ortiz has a 3.82 ERA. no pitcher has ever won cy young with an ERA like that. He's getting 6.40 runs per game, that's the only reason he's winning.
Ortiz pitched poorly again last night, and walked another 5 guys, while again only throwing 6 innings. That doesn't seem like a cy young winner to me.
If you want to know why i put Ortiz on there, it's because, i copied the ESPN poll and then threw in Webb.
Okay. Thanks for explaining why you put Ortiz in.
I know people will look at Ortiz's line yesterday (4 runs in 6 six innings) and say he looked mediocre. But all four of those runs came in the first inning. He shutout the Phillies for 5 innings after that, allowing the Braves to come back and win. So Ortiz pitched 5 strong innings, but the only one anybody will pay any attention to is the one bad inning. I think one of the marks of a great pitcher is being able to fall behind, but regroup and allow his team to come back. Just my humble old opinion.
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flyingswoosh Wrote:Also, Isn't the point of all of these message boards to argue, based on everyone's opinions?
Of course. But I don't have a problem with you voting for Schmidt, so I don't see why you have a problem with me taking Ortiz.
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