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This afternoon I was a very proud friend. A buddy of mine who was in my wedding just returned from Afghanistan. (Where we should have been focused all along.). Well after he showed me his bronze star and showed me some videos on his laptop we started talking about some of his missions. He didn't elaborate much but he supported SF guys over there. He is with an engineering battalion and he went on some pretty cool recon, scouting, and support missions. He showed me these coins that had CIA, a sniper coin, OCF or OTF designations, well to get to the good part. He showed me these match books that had Osama face on it and he said we have him on a postage stamp. Look for us to nab him in late August or the beginning of September. It's all political now. He said this with a grin because he supports President Bush. We know where he travels and when he's out of an area we go in and set up monitoring devices for intel.
Now this does not surprise me in the least with this crowd, but how smart is this? This guy has been a fox where he has slipped our noose before. When I said this to my buddy he said don't worry about. Seal Force 10 had him dead to rights a couple of months ago but it was 6 miles in Pakistan territory. I pressed him on this but he wouldn't elaborate. All I can tell you is that he is very proud of his service and his moral was great. He said the only bummer was the Pat Tillman deal. he said it really took the wind out of alot of guy's sails.
Our military is doing a great job over there but I can't stand the way Bush manipulates stuff. he is such a freakin liar. Well guys wait for the fraud in chief to pull a fast one in early Sept.
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06-12-2004 09:06 PM |
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God, I hope you are wrong about this.
How sick would that be? Talk about playing politics with national security!
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06-12-2004 09:51 PM |
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Schadenfreude Wrote:God, I hope you are wrong about this.
How sick would that be? Talk about playing politics with national security!
Wrong about what? Having surveillence on him in the hopes of capturing him? We can't just rush in as soon as we see him. The guys in SOCOM know what they are doing.
What's really contradictory, and bad for Democrats, is that if we DO capture him it'll be a smack in the face to ALL people that said we weren't providing enough resources in Afghanistan....which is understandable as we have an American-friendly government in place there. ....and no, Karzai isn't a puppet.
Oh, and Dogger, your friend talks way too damn much. I respect his service as a veteran myself, but he shouldn't be saying these things with the way people talk. How about this scenario, he tells you, you post it, someone on here is in the media, Ie. Klutzdio, prints it, and Osama either gets out of Dodge or has an ambush set up for the troops. Real smart. There's a reason why it's called Covert Ops.
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06-12-2004 10:05 PM |
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Personally I will hoist a jar to the mans capture or demise and leave all the political hand wringing to you fellows. :D
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RebelKev Wrote:Schadenfreude Wrote:God, I hope you are wrong about this.
How sick would that be? Talk about playing politics with national security!
Wrong about what? Having surveillence on him in the hopes of capturing him? We can't just rush in as soon as we see him. The guys in SOCOM know what they are doing.
What's really contradictory, and bad for Democrats, is that if we DO capture him it'll be a smack in the face to ALL people that said we weren't providing enough resources in Afghanistan....which is understandable as we have an American-friendly government in place there. ....and no, Karzai isn't a puppet.
Oh, and Dogger, your friend talks way too damn much. I respect his service as a veteran myself, but he shouldn't be saying these things with the way people talk. How about this scenario, he tells you, you post it, someone on here is in the media, Ie. Klutzdio, prints it, and Osama either gets out of Dodge or has an ambush set up for the troops. Real smart. There's a reason why it's called Covert Ops.
You are so right. :eek:
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06-12-2004 10:15 PM |
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RebelKev Wrote:Schadenfreude Wrote:God, I hope you are wrong about this.
How sick would that be? Talk about playing politics with national security!
Wrong about what? Having surveillence on him in the hopes of capturing him? We can't just rush in as soon as we see him. The guys in SOCOM know what they are doing.
If we can catch that evil bastard we should. If Bush is checking his watch until the convention rolls around, that would be amoral and sickening.
I thought I was pretty clear.
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06-13-2004 12:07 AM |
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Schadenfreude Wrote:If we can catch that evil bastard we should. Bush shouldn't keep checking his watch until the convention rolls around.
I thought I was pretty clear.
Do you honestly believe that Bush is preventing SOCOM from doing their jobs until it's politically convenient? Damn Schad.
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06-13-2004 12:09 AM |
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RebelKev Wrote:Schadenfreude Wrote:If we can catch that evil bastard we should. Bush shouldn't keep checking his watch until the convention rolls around.
I thought I was pretty clear.
Do you honestly believe that Bush is preventing SOCOM from doing their jobs until it's politically convenient? Damn Schad.
That was the proposition that started this thread.
I wouldn't put it past Bush. I'd like to think no American president could be that evil. But ... this is the same guy who obviously quite intentionally misled most of the country into thinking Saddam Hussein was responsible for the Sept. 11 massacre.
I will never, ever forgive him for that.
There are probably all kinds of ways Bush could rationalize (to himself) holding off for a few months.
And I wouldn't think such a scenario would seem so outlandish to folks from a party that screamed "Wag The Dog" with blind rage when President Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden back in 1998.
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06-13-2004 12:13 AM |
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Schadenfreude Wrote:That was the proposition that started this thread.
I wouldn't put it past Bush. I'd like to think no American president could be that evil. But ... this is the same guy who obviously quite intentionally misled most of the country into thinking Saddam Hussein was responsible for the Sept. 11 massacre.
I will never, ever forgive him for that.
There are probably all kinds of ways Bush could rationalize (to himself) holding off for a few months.
And I wouldn't think such a scenario would seem so outlandish to folks from a party that screamed "Wag The Dog" with blind rage when President Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden back in 1998.
The Libertarians screamed that? I didn't think Clinton was trying to kill UBL either.
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06-13-2004 12:19 AM |
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RebelKev Wrote:Schadenfreude Wrote:That was the proposition that started this thread.
I wouldn't put it past Bush. I'd like to think no American president could be that evil. But ... this is the same guy who obviously quite intentionally misled most of the country into thinking Saddam Hussein was responsible for the Sept. 11 massacre.
I will never, ever forgive him for that.
There are probably all kinds of ways Bush could rationalize (to himself) holding off for a few months.
And I wouldn't think such a scenario would seem so outlandish to folks from a party that screamed "Wag The Dog" with blind rage when President Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden back in 1998.
The Libertarians screamed that? I didn't think Clinton was trying to kill UBL either.
You gather my point.
And, yeah, Clinton was trying to kill Osama:
<a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/23/wag.dog/' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/23/wag.dog/</a>
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06-13-2004 12:22 AM |
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Schadenfreude Wrote:You gather my point.
Politics as usual. Nothing that can't be seen by the Democratic party daily. "I", personally, don't think Clinton did enough to quell terrorism. Had Joseph Lieberman or Zell Miller been in office, more would have been done. I also don't buy into the notion that Clinton was a liberal Democrat. His wife is, definately, but Bill Clinton wasn't. I also didn't give a damn about who gave him a BJ. I cared about selling secrets, cutting the military(which insures freedom, I don't know why some far-left extremists don't understand that....not talking about you), raising taxes, and taking credit for the IT revolution.
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06-13-2004 12:29 AM |
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Schadenfreude Wrote:But ... this is the same guy who obviously quite intentionally misled most of the country into thinking Saddam Hussein was responsible for the Sept. 11 massacre.
I will never, ever forgive him for that.
No one in this administration, MUCH LESS THE PRESIDENT, ever said Hussain was responsible for the September 11 attacks.
We do all know, whether you will admit it, that there was funding and training of Al Qaeda, along with other terrorists, in Iraq.
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06-13-2004 01:06 AM |
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Quote:We do all know, whether you will admit it, that there was funding and training of Al Qaeda, along with other terrorists, in Iraq.
Ummmmmm, most of the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia and almost all of the money came from Saudi Arabia. Why haven't we invaded them?
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06-13-2004 08:06 AM |
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RandyMc Wrote:No one in this administration, MUCH LESS THE PRESIDENT, ever said Hussain was responsible for the September 11 attacks.
That was the implication. And it was intentional.
<a href='http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/01/bushiraq021101' target='_blank'>http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/01/bushiraq021101</a>
<a href='http://meadev.nic.in/ind-ter/for-med/30Saddam.htm' target='_blank'>http://meadev.nic.in/ind-ter/for-med/30Saddam.htm</a>
<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1881740.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_ea...ast/1881740.stm</a>
<a href='http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/8091287.htm?1c' target='_blank'>http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/8091287.htm?1c</a>
Quote:We do all know, whether you will admit it, that there was funding and training of Al Qaeda, along with other terrorists, in Iraq.
There is no significant link. Period.
Guess George Bush duped you, too.
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06-13-2004 08:29 AM |
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MAKO Wrote:Quote:We do all know, whether you will admit it, that there was funding and training of Al Qaeda, along with other terrorists, in Iraq.
Ummmmmm, most of the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia and almost all of the money came from Saudi Arabia. Why haven't we invaded them?
You see, that's you guys problem, and the problem I had with Clinton, you view things in terms of dealing with the terrorists through a straw. Clinton thought a conviction of the guy that bombed the towers in '93 would appease the masses. Sadly, it did some. I, however, was not at ALL happy with the "criminal" approach he took to terrorism, the same thing Kerry wants to reimpose. THATS why I see Democrats with that view as dangerous for the country.
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RebelKev Wrote:MAKO Wrote:Quote:We do all know, whether you will admit it, that there was funding and training of Al Qaeda, along with other terrorists, in Iraq.
Ummmmmm, most of the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia and almost all of the money came from Saudi Arabia. Why haven't we invaded them?
You see, that's you guys problem, and the problem I had with Clinton, you view things in terms of dealing with the terrorists through a straw. Clinton thought a conviction of the guy that bombed the towers in '93 would appease the masses. Sadly, it did some. I, however, was not at ALL happy with the "criminal" approach he took to terrorism, the same thing Kerry wants to reimpose. THATS why I see Democrats with that view as dangerous for the country.
So is "shock and awe" as in the scattergun approach a better way of dealing with terrorism rather than viewing them through a straw?
Just sling bombs and bullets in their general direction until one or two alleged terrorists are killed and don't worry about the collateral damage and dead civilians............it's a by product of war
I think that's a very dangerous way of dealing with terrorists too,as a matter of fact it seems to increase terrorism.
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The media wouldn't print it because they have no way to (collaborate?) the story. I do think it's bs that we are waiting. You are right he would be pissed if he knew I put this on a chat room. Can you delete the topic?
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06-13-2004 04:49 PM |
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Quote:Do you honestly believe that Bush is preventing SOCOM from doing their jobs until it's politically convenient? Damn Schad.
I'm afraid he is. It's terrible and I've lost what very little respect I did have for him. That is exactly what is happening. Just wait and see!!
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06-13-2004 05:00 PM |
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Dogger Wrote:Quote:Do you honestly believe that Bush is preventing SOCOM from doing their jobs until it's politically convenient? Damn Schad.
I'm afraid he is. It's terrible and I've lost what very little respect I did have for him. That is exactly what is happening. Just wait and see!!
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06-13-2004 09:27 PM |
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Schadenfreude Wrote:RandyMc Wrote:No one in this administration, MUCH LESS THE PRESIDENT, ever said Hussain was responsible for the September 11 attacks.
That was the implication. And it was intentional.
<a href='http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/01/bushiraq021101' target='_blank'>http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/11/01/bushiraq021101</a>
<a href='http://meadev.nic.in/ind-ter/for-med/30Saddam.htm' target='_blank'>http://meadev.nic.in/ind-ter/for-med/30Saddam.htm</a>
<a href='http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1881740.stm' target='_blank'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_ea...ast/1881740.stm</a>
<a href='http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/8091287.htm?1c' target='_blank'>http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/8091287.htm?1c</a>
Quote:We do all know, whether you will admit it, that there was funding and training of Al Qaeda, along with other terrorists, in Iraq.
There is no significant link. Period.
Guess George Bush duped you, too.
I am not "duped" by anyone. Especially by your two year old cites. Nothing in these articles are on point with the original statement that "no one in the administration said that Hussain was responsible for the September 11 attacks".
As to no significant link between Hussain and Al Quada, let's look at these more recent findings by Stephen Hayes..............
<a href='http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/152lndzv.asp' target='_blank'>The Connection</a>
<a href='http://www.theweeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/167gwjtp.asp' target='_blank'>More Connections</a>
<a href='http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/hayes200406020847.asp' target='_blank'>The Terror Ties That Bind Us to War</a>
My guess is that you will dismiss this as all Republican shill....but time will tell, won't it?
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