MarshallWINS Wrote:I didn't say they need more sex, I said they need to have sex to sustain any hope of a population.

Huge diffference.

******, anyone needs to have sex to sustain a population. If everyone in the US stopped having sex and cut off immigation, then our population would die out too. They don't need to have as much sex as they do in Africa.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

MarshallWINS Wrote:I didn't say they need more sex, I said they need to have sex to sustain any hope of a population.

Huge diffference.

******, anyone needs to have sex to sustain a population. If everyone in the US stopped having sex and cut off immigation, then our population would die out too. They don't need to have as much sex as they do in Africa.

Thats the point, its not like you can prevent HIV when you have to have sex! They do need to have more kids than americans because of high IMR, high MR, and an agriculture based economy or a loose term of an economy).

flyingswoosh Wrote:

MarshallWINS Wrote:I don't get what you mean by sending faith based foreign aid? Do you mean religion can help hunger somehow? I'm interested to hear your ideas.

first, i trust you know what President Bush's faith based initiative drug plan is? My plan is nearly the same thing. It's important to recognize that most of the foreign aid we send out, gets taken by the rulers of these countries. The money is never seen by the people, but instead it's used to build schools, etc. for the kids of the dictators, and to exploit many workers. But if this money were funneled down (trickle down economics), Nike and other companies wouldn't be able to use cheap labor, thus people would make more money. Which brings us back to the faith based initiative plan. If we take the foreign aid and give it instead to volunteers and people of the faith and have them use it on eduaction and rebuilding cities through family ties, we could essentially erase much of the hunger problems that are man made.

Sounds like a really good plan, if we could talk the rulers into allowing the faith workers into the government. There was actually a funny SNL skit about Somalia with clinton about the warriors taking the aid.

MarshallWINS Wrote:And Torch, valid point on NASA having 2ndary positive impacts on some of the things I mentioned. I'm the type to want straightforwarded approaches to problems instead of hoping a big red rock exploration fixes some of them

Sometimes it just doesn't work that way. In the late 19th century, if you suggested improving long-distance communication, you'd say "Build a better telegraph!"

But, people's unrelated work on E-M radiation led to Marconi inventing "wireless"...radio.

And telecommunications have never been the same. (Well, except that we regressed w/ internet radio...essentially back to wired communication again. :laugh: Plenty of irony out there.)

No way.

Hey, WE LANDED ON THE MOON!
[/Lloyd Christmas]

MarshallWINS Wrote:Sounds like a really good plan, if we could talk the rulers into allowing the faith workers into the government. There was actually a funny SNL skit about Somalia with clinton about the warriors taking the aid.

were you being sarcastic?

flyingswoosh Wrote:

MarshallWINS Wrote:Sounds like a really good plan, if we could talk the rulers into allowing the faith workers into the government.  There was actually a funny SNL skit about Somalia with clinton about the warriors taking the aid.

were you being sarcastic?

Not at all. I just think the government's who prey on the weak as you said are going to be unlikely welcome to let them in. Maybe I'm wrong, as I don't know much about the program you're talking about.

[quote="MarshallWINS"] [quote="flyingswoosh"] [quote="MarshallWINS"]
Sounds like a really good plan, if we could talk the rulers into allowing the faith workers into the government.

T-Monay820 Wrote:This is really a waste of money right now. If we weren't at war, this could be a really intersting adventure for America, but money needs to be closely managed at this time with the economy and war on terror. But looking at the future and proposing future adventures, like the decade he planned, can't hurt.

I don't have a problem with doing research right now, but I think this was bad timing for Bush to announce now that we are going to the moon or Mars, and we have other things to take care of in the US and the rest of the world.

By the way, if we stop having sex, eventually there will be no more people. If there is any other way to conceive children, I would be fascinated to see it.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

T-Monay820 Wrote:This is really a waste of money right now. If we weren't at war, this could be a really intersting adventure for America, but money needs to be closely managed at this time with the economy and war on terror. But looking at the future and proposing future adventures, like the decade he planned, can't hurt.

I don't have a problem with doing research right now, but I think this was bad timing for Bush to announce now that we are going to the moon or Mars, and we have other things to take care of in the US and the rest of the world.

By the way, if we stop having sex, eventually there will be no more people. If there is any other way to conceive children, I would be fascinated to see it.

artificial insemination count?

cbfranchise3 Wrote:I don't have a problem with doing research right now, but I think this was bad timing for Bush to announce now that we are going to the moon or Mars, and we have other things to take care of in the US and the rest of the world.

i asked you a few hours ago what other issues in the US we need to care of, and you still haven't told me any. Marshall mentioned some, but you haven't.

hey maybe we can send me back to where i came from.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:I don't have a problem with doing research right now, but I think this was bad timing for Bush to announce now that we are going to the moon or Mars, and we have other things to take care of in the US and the rest of the world.

i asked you a few hours ago what other issues in the US we need to care of, and you still haven't told me any. Marshall mentioned some, but you haven't.

Healthcare, education, facilities such as After School Programs, foreign aid, repaying debt, research to find environmental alternatives to name a few off the top of my head. If you want I can find more for you.

Again, I don't have a problem with starting research. Just take it slow, and it is certainly not a priority right now.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:Healthcare, education, facilities such as After School Programs, foreign aid, repaying debt, research to find environmental alternatives to name a few off the top of my head. If you want I can find more for you.

Again, I don't have a problem with starting research. Just take it slow, and it is certainly not a priority right now.

Healthcare? what do you propose, socialized health care? We have more than enough health care. Education?! we should spend so much less money on education. if you don't believe me, take a look at how much DC and NY spend and see how bad their schools are. The problem is the teachers union. After School programs are state funded, if not they should be. We should reduce foreign aid. Debt is a tough issue. Lastly we are looking for environmental alternatives.

I'm glad you didn't mention social security, because i believe we need to cut that 100%

MarshallWINS Wrote:cancer research, aids prevention. Hunger battles. I could name 10 facets of life on EARTH that I'd rather see get the money.

Everybody in the world can contribute to cancer and AIDS research by running Folding@Home. There's even a NCAAbbs Folding@Home team.

I think revitalizing NASA was the right call and a good call. The human race must committ itself over millenia to learning how to live in space and colonize other worlds. The Earth won't hold out at our pace. The technology gap is also massive. There isn't a motivation for the private sector to take up these challenges sort of the X Challenge... so it must come from the government.

BTW, people laughed at Kennedy when he said we should land a man on the moon. Healthcare, etc, etc, etc seem to have done just fine during that time...

flyingswoosh Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:Healthcare, education, facilities such as After School Programs, foreign aid, repaying debt, research to find environmental alternatives to name a few off the top of my head.  If you want I can find more for you.

Again, I don't have a problem with starting research.  Just take it slow, and it is certainly not a priority right now.

Healthcare? what do you propose, socialized health care? We have more than enough health care. Education?! we should spend so much less money on education. if you don't believe me, take a look at how much DC and NY spend and see how bad their schools are. The problem is the teachers union. After School programs are state funded, if not they should be. We should reduce foreign aid. Debt is a tough issue. Lastly we are looking for environmental alternatives.

I'm glad you didn't mention social security, because i believe we need to cut that 100%

You can't know how bad the worst schools are in the nation are until you see them with your own eyes. Downtown Houston has schools with no rooves, schools that are ready to collapse any given second, no textbooks, and no other school supplies. It pained me to see so many smart kids with potential down there have no resources to succeed in school, no resources at home. Then with sometimes not a sufficient place to go afterschool, many would wind up in gangs and mixed up with drugs. Education and after school facilities need more materials.

I am not saying that healthcare needs more money, but evaluate the situation and don't throw money to NASA that can be used in other places.

As for foreign aid, what are we gonna do, destroy the country of Iraq, and not give them the proper resources to recover? As a premiere country, if we are going to go to war, it in Iraq's case doing it to make it a better country. Iraq is far off from where it should and could be, which needs money.

What is the tough issue about repaying national debt? We need to do it. We can't just let it climb and blimb.

I agree about social security. It needs to be seriously altered or changed altogether.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:The Earth won't hold out at our pace.

Of course it won't!

So are we going to just watch planet earth collapse and destroy what God has given us, and move somewhere else and run from the problem, or can we change it?

That is why we need more money being put into environmental research. If the sustainability of Earth was in good condition, we wouldn't have to be talking about putting stations on the moon and Mars.

Particularly in alternate energy sources. Anybody that has not read The Hydrogen Economy should.

[quote="cbfranchise3"] [quote="flyingswoosh"] [quote="cbfranchise3"] Healthcare, education, facilities such as After School Programs, foreign aid, repaying debt, research to find environmental alternatives to name a few off the top of my head.

[quote="flyingswoosh"] [quote="cbfranchise3"] [quote="flyingswoosh"] [quote="cbfranchise3"] Healthcare, education, facilities such as After School Programs, foreign aid, repaying debt, research to find environmental alternatives to name a few off the top of my head.