Unelectable, My ******!



By Arianna Huffington, AlterNet
January 7, 2004




I swear, if I hear one more Democratic honcho say that Howard Dean is not electable, I'm going to do something crazy (maybe that's what happened to Britney in Vegas this weekend).




The contention is nothing short of idiotic.




Consider the source. The folks besmirching the good doctor's Election Day viability are the very people who have driven the Democratic Party into irrelevance; who spearheaded the party's resounding 2002 mid-term defeats; and who kinda, sorta, but not really disagreed with President Bush as he led us down the path of preemptive war with Iraq, irresponsible tax cuts and an unprecedented deficit.




Dean is electable precisely because he's making a decisive break with the spinelessness and pussyfooting that have become the hallmark of the Democratic Party.




So, please, no more hand-wringing about Dean being "another Dukakis." And no more weepy flashbacks about having had your heart broken by George McGovern, whose 1972 annihilation haunts the 2004 Democratic primaries like a political Jacob Marley, shaking his chains and warning of the Ghosts of Landslides Past.




There is a historical parallel to Dean's candidacy, but it's not McGovern in 1972, as the DLC-paranoiacs would like us to believe

You willing to put a grand on it?

You know, Kev, I'd do it but I haven't gotten the hospital bills in yet so. . .let's just hold off on the monetary bets right now.

How about sigs instead?

joebordenrebel Wrote:You know, Kev, I'd do it but I haven't gotten the hospital bills in yet so. . .let's just hold off on the monetary bets right now.

How about sigs instead?

Open sigs...meaning, I can pick whatever I want and you can pick whatever you want. Timeframe?

Hell, I think a month is pretty humilating. And yeah, open sigs. WHATEVER the winner wants, with NO rickheel subterfuge. Deal?

joebordenrebel Wrote:Hell, I think a month is pretty humilating. And yeah, open sigs. WHATEVER the winner wants, with NO rickheel subterfuge. Deal?

Cool. I'll start looking.

:wave:

Hey, rick! Sorry about using your name but it's now shorthand for how not to lose a bet on the board. :wave:

But I'm not trying to open old wounds. Just a quick, friendly jab. :chair:

One of my resolutions was to take everything on message boards with a grain of salt. No problem! :wave: BTW, you feeling better?

I'm feeling good. My wyfe is stable in the hospital with a pulmonary embolism but she's okay otherwise. They're just trying to decrease the viscosity of her blood with coudmadin before they let her go home.

I think we could all use a "grain of salt" approach around here. Good for you, Rick. Healthy, happy Americans are so much better than unhealthy, unhappy ones! :D

Stalin,

we are living in the era of the Great Repugnican Revolution and Dean (nor any other Democrap) stands a chance. Americans are basically, for the most part, snivveling, violent sh*ts who love it when we bomb other people half the globe over. As long as people see Bush as the one ordering the bombing, we feel better about ourselves. Most Americans accept the might makes right view of justice and as long as our uniformed people are whipping arse, we feel better about encountering vagrants and watching our public education system fall apart.

It all works in with the illogical, irrational nature of most Americans.

Bush wins all states but two, regardless of the nominee on the other side!

JBR, Ariana's article is the stuff of dreams, opium induced, Iam afraid.

First of all, the Zeitgeist of the country now bears no resemblance to that of the Kennedy time. Beyond that, Kennedy won his election on a razor edge, and the ballot stuffing in Chicago had a lot to do with it. Even Democrats don't try to say that didn't happen.

Secondly, Deano doesn't have the first idea of who he is or what he stands for. Depending on the day and the place, he is either a metrosexual, or a Confederate flag wearing pick'em up truck driving, Jesus - loving good ole boy, or an ardent support of abortion, or whatever. This man has more personalities than Sybil. (The case history of the woman with 13 personalities).

Thirdly, the country just ain't in the mood to change horse mid-stream. Beyond this, Shrub has cynically pre-empted the Demo's on most every domestic issue. And he would, just like the Demos, sell the country out to get re-elected. How can a Demo be more Demo than Shrub? Hell, Shrub thinks just like a Demo when it comes to federal spending. He's like LBJ, and you can't get more Demo than LBJ, can you? The Demo I-hate-Shrub vote is not nearly enough to get Deano elected.

Shrub thinks gays and lesbians are beautiful too, so there is no profit there for the Demos.

Fourthly, before this is over, you are going to see Deano have a major melt, sort of like that German dude's face in "Raiders of the Lost Ark". And you thought Alphagore's red face last time was bad. When the public sees that, realizes that Deano is a head case, that will be that. They will prefer a dumb*** fraud like Shrub to a nutcase like Deano.

Fifthly, Deano, that lily white aristocrat from the very white Northeast, will not get the black vote out. Frankly, blacks could care less about Florida. They don't think that way. The only way that Deano would get a strong black turn out would be to take a black as the VP candidate. Ain't gonna happen, cause blacks serve the Demo plantation. They don't get to run it.

So you and Arianna can just dream on. The rest of us will worry about the taxes that Shrub will cost us in the future. Our only comfort will be that Demos would have taxed us to death anyway.

To hell with both parties. May God destroy them both.

Wry, were you restating the cartoon I posted for some effect? Or are you simply mocking me?

Anyway, Dean *does* have a chance. Why do you think the media spends so much time bashing him?

Furthermore, the country will not be able to recover from four more years of Dumbya's voodoo trickle down mojo. The IMF will have invaded and instituted a preempitve regime change before that happens.

No matter who wins, one thing is clear. We're going to be in debt for a long, long time to come.

Your last thought is on the money. It's just two Republicrats in 2004, basically. Bush outspent every president before him (even if you take out the Iraq tab), so his fiscal policy is certainly deep in the spending category. The tax cuts were wise, but not vetoing one federal spending program definitely not wise.

And Iraq? The memo Dean sent to then President Clinton asking for a unilateral strike on Serbia in 1998 - a nation with absolutely no threat to the US - will be mentioned ad nauseum throughout the summer debates.

The debates will be fierce and polarized... and probably quite entertaining. :laugh:

But, fundamentally, there's really not much difference between the two (unfortunately).

Motown Bronco Wrote:Your last thought is on the money. It's just two Republicrats in 2004, basically. Bush outspent every president before him (even if you take out the Iraq tab), so his fiscal policy is certainly deep in the spending category.

not true AT ALL!!!! You are speaking of dollar amounts alone. NOT the inflation factor. Hell, My G-mother spent 7500.00 on her home in '54. STILL doesn't mean it isn't worth 100K now. Reagan spent WAY more.

That's a weakass argument and makes one think that the rest of your arguments are ignorant. ...if you can't take THAT into account.

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CARTER ON DEAN: I DIDN'T CALL HIM, HE CALLED ME
Sun Jan 18 2004 19:43:22 ET

Even though he hosted Dem hopeful Howard Dean in Plains, Georgia on Sunday, former President Jimmy Carter annoyed Dean's senior advisers when he claimed that Dean was not invited!

"He called me on the phone and said he'd like to worship with me," Carter explained. "I did not invite him, but I'm glad he came."

Carter said he has also visited with retired Gen. Wesley Clark, and hopes he will again.

The embarrassing Dean moment came after Dean was pressed in recent interviews on why he would leave Iowa at a crunch time.

Dean said he could not turn down an invitation to appear with a former president he admires, the WASHINGTON POST reports on Monday. But when a visitor to the Marantha church thanked Carter for inviting Dean, Carter quickly interjected, "I did not invite him!"

Kev--the relationship of Bush and money:

Bush--has raised more money in each campaign (and raising dough is not over yet) than any other president or presidential candidate in the history of the United States.

The Bush Administration--has spent more money than any other presidential administration in the history of the United States. His admin. has proposed more and more spending while cutting taxes, thus asking the casual observer 'where will the money come from to bomb brown people?'

Give me some time and I'll post government statistics on this (maybe tomorrow I'll post this) so stay tuned!