It is hard to argue against the Rockets. The guy that really makes the difference is Kelvin Cato, and JVG has brought great energy to this team.

they do have a great defense, but don't you think their defense looks a lot better because VG coaches a very slow paced game.

flyingswoosh Wrote:they do have a great defense, but don't you think their defense looks a lot better because VG coaches a very slow paced game.

That contributes certainly. But more so does the presence of Kelvin and Yao. Great win against the Pacers last night, and Yao forced whoever came into the lane to take an awkward shot. Jim Jackson is also a versatile defender, one of the best free agent pickups this season.

i still think pistons have the best D, I think they had the record for holding teams under 100 pts, for something like 40 games, now thats amazing D

tysramm1 Wrote:i still think pistons have the best D, I think they had the record for holding teams under 100 pts, for something like 40 games, now thats amazing D

You can thank Big Ben for that. Detroit has guys like Prince and Okur who are starting that really don't have great defensive skills. Rockets have better team defense.

Actually, the Rockets are so good I had to change my avatar.

tysramm1 Wrote:i still think pistons have the best D, I think they had the record for holding teams under 100 pts, for something like 40 games, now thats amazing D

:stupid: Pistons definately.

That streak went into last year.

This year:

Rockets: 83.2 ppg allowed, .389 FG % allowed, both best in league

Pistons: 85.0 ppg allowed, .419 FG % allowed

Added to that, the Rockets play in the West and play the much better teams two times as much. Can't touch them.

I would also rank the Pistons third, behind San Antonio. The Spurs allow 83.6 ppg and .399 FG %.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:That streak went into last year.

This year:

Rockets: 83.2 ppg allowed, .389 FG % allowed, both best in league

Pistons: 85.0 ppg allowed, .419 FG % allowed

Added to that, the Rockets play in the West and play the much better teams two times as much. Can't touch them.

I would also rank the Pistons third, behind San Antonio. The Spurs allow 83.6 ppg and .399 FG %.

theres a pretty easy explination for whythe rockets only give up 83 ppg, its b/c they dont fast break, and they slow the tempo of the game down, so it will be a low scoring battle. This does not neccesarily mean they are good at D, it just means theyre slow. I've seen at least 3 rockets games when both teams are around the 60-65 point mark.

tysramm1 Wrote:theres a pretty easy explination for whythe rockets only give up 83 ppg, its b/c they dont fast break, and they slow the tempo of the game down, so it will be a low scoring battle. This does not neccesarily mean they are good at D, it just means theyre slow. I've seen at least 3 rockets games when both teams are around the 60-65 point mark.

Team defense is contributed to by the team's offense. What you said is true, that is the Rockets strategy. Slowing down the game is a long time used strategy that is quite effective, I don't know why more teams don't use it.

I don't see your point. All the stuff you just said are contributing factors to the Rockets great defense, thanks for supporting my argument.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

tysramm1 Wrote:theres a pretty easy explination for whythe rockets only give up 83 ppg, its b/c they dont fast break, and they slow the tempo of the game down, so it will be a low scoring battle.  This does not neccesarily mean they are good at D, it just means theyre slow.  I've seen at least 3 rockets games when both teams are around the 60-65 point mark.

Team defense is contributed to by the team's offense. What you said is true, that is the Rockets strategy. Slowing down the game is a long time used strategy that is quite effective, I don't know why more teams don't use it.

I don't see your point. All the stuff you just said are contributing factors to the Rockets great defense, thanks for supporting my argument.

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he didn't support your argument. he said that the Rockets play such a slow paced game that they give up less points.

you sure do start a lot of threads that are biased to houston teams.

flyingswoosh Wrote:he didn't support your argument. he said that the Rockets play such a slow paced game that they give up less points.

And that contributes to a better team defense. Having a great defense is not all about what they do just on defense, it is how they are coached and play the rest of the game as well.

just b/c u give up less pts doesnt mean u have a better defense, in the rockets case it just means theyre a slow paced team

tysramm1 Wrote:just b/c u give up less pts doesnt mean u have a better defense, in the rockets case it just means theyre a slow paced team

and that contributes to a better defense.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

tysramm1 Wrote:just b/c u give up less pts doesnt mean u have a better defense, in the rockets case it just means theyre a slow paced team

and that contributes to a better defense.

no it doesn't, how does being slow paced mean u have a good defense

tysramm1 Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

tysramm1 Wrote:just b/c u give up less pts doesnt mean u have a better defense, in the rockets case it just means theyre a slow paced team

and that contributes to a better defense.

no it doesn't, how does being slow paced mean u have a good defense

Because you are playing defense when you are on offense in the Rockets case. That is brilliant coaching, and thus brilliant defense.

ok i can see that I'm not going to change ur mind so I'll say this, I think that opponents FG% is better way of gaging how good a teams defense is, as opposed to ppg allowed. Since u said the rockets are leading in this category it shows the rockets are pretty good at D, but thats not the only stat to take into consideration, so it does not neccesarily mean the rockets are the very best defensive team.

tysramm1 Wrote:ok i can see that I'm not going to change ur mind so I'll say this, I think that opponents FG% is better way of gaging how good a teams defense is, as opposed to ppg allowed. Since u said the rockets are leading in this category it shows the rockets are pretty good at D, but thats not the only stat to take into consideration, so it does not neccesarily mean the rockets are the very best defensive team.

The stats say it. Everybody else says it. What else do you need?

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

tysramm1 Wrote:ok i can see that I'm not going to change ur mind so I'll say this, I think that opponents FG% is better way of gaging how good a teams defense is, as opposed to ppg allowed.  Since u said the rockets are leading in this category it shows the rockets are pretty good at D, but thats not the only stat to take into consideration, so it does not neccesarily mean the rockets are the very best defensive team.

The stats say it. Everybody else says it. What else do you need?

did u not read what I wrote? I said there are other stats to also take into consideration, not only opponents FG%. Also I dont see eveyone saying that the rockets have the best D, just you who is biased for all houston teams

[quote="tysramm1"] [quote="cbfranchise3"] [quote="tysramm1"] ok i can see that I'm not going to change ur mind so I'll say this, I think that opponents FG% is better way of gaging how good a teams defense is, as opposed to ppg allowed.