flyingswoosh Wrote:you are probably the biggest skeptic ever. I can't believe you're a journalist. there are many jobs you can get out of college that aren't in the service industry. For instance, you can start your own business. Maybe if you knew people who worked their way up in life or in a company you would understand where i'm coming from. On the other hand you probably do know people like that, but you choose to ignore it, or something, i don't know.

Alright you little freakin retard, first of all I can't sell ice water in hell! My attitude is 'you want it, buy it....you don't want it...don't buy it.' Secondly, selling crap for a living offers one no peace of mind.

Take my brother, the entrepreneur of the family, who owns his own business (a multi million dollar a year high-end sporting goods retail outift). He labors year round, dealing with all the Christmas *ssholes and all the Easter sale-thrifty fockers. He deals with those losers who think they can haggle their way into a deal, although retail businesses rarely rely on barter and trade anymore. In addition to all this bullcrap, he has to pay bills on his business every month, worrying about whether or not they'll clear a profit and in the meantime, pay 70% of any money they make on nasty local beauracratic red tape and insurance. Then he has to pay his staff and he has to take care of them or else he'll have high-turnover inevitably depending on slackers who can't sell fockers stuff.

To top it off, he knows fully that he's involved in an unethical enterprise. The high-end Patagonia shee-aht he sells is made by some poor Indonesian four-year old who's paid about 2 cents a week! Should he bring this up to the company rep, they'd pull their merchandise that's my brother's bread-and-butter.

Owning a business is stress and worry, 24/7, 365! You think it's cake, oh yeah, you are a 16 year old retard who looks forward to the Victoria Secret catalogue!

Nevermind my ad hominems, but I realized long ago that I didn't want to do anything unethical, that is why I don't have my own business and that is why I'll soon QUIT being a media hack! I don't mind being poor, as long as I know I am living right! As soon as I get out of this for-profit news media bullcrap, I'll be living right, you freakin retard! :chair:

JBR,

Subjectivist, not a nihilist. There is a difference.

i've come to the conclusion that you both have gone off the deep end. First, JBR, just because your wife left you (maybe), doesn't mean i will lose my wife. Conspiracy theories are great and all, but c'mon, that's a little extreme.

KD, your brother owns a retail business! Not all entrepreneurs start retail businesses. Actually, no entrepreneurs in my neighborhood own a retail outlet. Also, owning your own business pays off down the road, and yes it's true, believe me, i would know.
Don't be a moron! You can start an ethical business. Be a motivational speaker, they're ethical.

The fact is, there are many ways to make money in this country

Victoria Secret Catalogue? wtf are you talking about?

flyingswoosh Wrote:i've come to the conclusion that you both have gone off the deep end. First, JBR, just because your wife left you (maybe), doesn't mean i will lose my wife. Conspiracy theories are great and all, but c'mon, that's a little extreme.

KD, your brother owns a retail business! Not all entrepreneurs start retail businesses. Actually, no entrepreneurs in my neighborhood own a retail outlet. Also, owning your own business pays off down the road, and yes it's true, believe me, i would know.
Don't be a moron! You can start an ethical business. Be a motivational speaker, they're ethical.

The fact is, there are many ways to make money in this country

Victoria Secret Catalogue? wtf are you talking about?

I think this latest post you made shows exactly what kind of retard you are!

"Not all entrepreneurs start retail businesses."

True! What does this have to do with anything? I never said that the only entrepreneurs in this country were retail owners! I pointed out as an example my brother's business, which is a small business and he is in retail. Regardless of the 25 million a year his business grosses, he still isn't living the life of riley!

"owning your own business pays off down the road, and yes it's true, believe me, i would know."

I'm sure it does, but it depends on what you mean by "pays off..."! Do you mean that you will profit owning your own business? Well, if you do, what an amazing and profound statement you made; it's a newsy!
At 16 you know? What, do you own your own business? Selling drugs at the local high school is an illegal business! Legitimate businesses have more headaches to deal with daily. The only headaches high school drug dealers have to contend come the day they are arrested, piss off their dealer, or their parents discover their stash! Drug dealers don't pay taxes, don't deal with lawyers, marketers, and accountants, and their customers are reliable because they know that if they want the goods, they have to pay. Drug dealers don't have "sales."
What kind of freakin' dope do you think I am, you freakin' retard?! I know that owning your own business pays off for some, but most businesses falter in their first 6 months. This is consistent with national statistics.
The businesses that make it does pay off. Nonetheless, the proprietor still has worries because they have to keep that cash flow coming in to pay property taxes, payroll, insurances, security, etc. In order to keep the cash flow going, they have to be competitive and shrewd. These are qualities that I do not have, thus I will never own my own business!

"You can start an ethical business."

Oh yeah, what the hell is that? Ethical business is like jumbo shrimp, it's an oxymoron. The basis, the fundamental concept of a business is to make a profit. A business buys stuff or offers a service and sells it to the consumer at a jacked up price. In order to make sure the business' product(s) is being sold, and consumers are interested, the business usually advertises, which is a complex form of lying, deceiving the public into thinking they need whatever the business is offering.

"Be a motivational speaker, they're ethical."

How untrue. People don't need speakers to motivate them. If they do, those particular people are a lost cause. Unmotivated people are similar to cattle sitting in a field, waiting for the slaughter.

Any business that offers a needless service violates what I conceive of as ethical.

There aren't any ethical occupations out there and you'll see this when you grow up and have to get by in the real world. And if you happen to inherit all of your parents' money, and you live wealthy, you'll continually be a victim of theft from accountants and lawyers. You'll see, mark my words. And this is no conspiracy theory, this is real freakin' life.

Victoria Secret catalogue refers to your continual whipping off in the bathroom. The only thing that matters to a 16 year old retard! In any event, I find your idealism quite funny. Thanks! :drink:

i feel really bad for you. You will never do anything in your life, because your definition of unethical covers everything. The fact is that motivational speakers are ethical. Also, you show your ignorance by thinking that the job of a motivational speaker is to motivate people. Thet's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. get back to me when you actually find out what a motivational speaker does.

KlutzDio I Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:i've come to the conclusion that you both have gone off the deep end.  First, JBR, just because your wife left you (maybe), doesn't mean i will lose my wife.  Conspiracy theories are great and all, but c'mon, that's a little extreme. 

KD, your brother owns a retail business!  Not all entrepreneurs start retail businesses.  Actually, no entrepreneurs in my neighborhood own a retail outlet.  Also, owning your own business pays off down the road, and yes it's true, believe me, i would know. 
Don't be a moron!  You can start an ethical business.  Be a motivational speaker, they're ethical.

The fact is, there are many ways to make money in this country

Victoria Secret Catalogue?  wtf are you talking about?

I think this latest post you made shows exactly what kind of retard you are!

"Not all entrepreneurs start retail businesses."

True! What does this have to do with anything? I never said that the only entrepreneurs in this country were retail owners! I pointed out as an example my brother's business, which is a small business and he is in retail. Regardless of the 25 million a year his business grosses, he still isn't living the life of riley!

"owning your own business pays off down the road, and yes it's true, believe me, i would know."

I'm sure it does, but it depends on what you mean by "pays off..."! Do you mean that you will profit owning your own business? Well, if you do, what an amazing and profound statement you made; it's a newsy!
At 16 you know? What, do you own your own business? Selling drugs at the local high school is an illegal business! Legitimate businesses have more headaches to deal with daily. The only headaches high school drug dealers have to contend come the day they are arrested, piss off their dealer, or their parents discover their stash! Drug dealers don't pay taxes, don't deal with lawyers, marketers, and accountants, and their customers are reliable because they know that if they want the goods, they have to pay. Drug dealers don't have "sales."
What kind of freakin' dope do you think I am, you freakin' retard?! I know that owning your own business pays off for some, but most businesses falter in their first 6 months. This is consistent with national statistics.
The businesses that make it does pay off. Nonetheless, the proprietor still has worries because they have to keep that cash flow coming in to pay property taxes, payroll, insurances, security, etc. In order to keep the cash flow going, they have to be competitive and shrewd. These are qualities that I do not have, thus I will never own my own business!

"You can start an ethical business."

Oh yeah, what the hell is that? Ethical business is like jumbo shrimp, it's an oxymoron. The basis, the fundamental concept of a business is to make a profit. A business buys stuff or offers a service and sells it to the consumer at a jacked up price. In order to make sure the business' product(s) is being sold, and consumers are interested, the business usually advertises, which is a complex form of lying, deceiving the public into thinking they need whatever the business is offering.

"Be a motivational speaker, they're ethical."

How untrue. People don't need speakers to motivate them. If they do, those particular people are a lost cause. Unmotivated people are similar to cattle sitting in a field, waiting for the slaughter.

Any business that offers a needless service violates what I conceive of as ethical.

There aren't any ethical occupations out there and you'll see this when you grow up and have to get by in the real world. And if you happen to inherit all of your parents' money, and you live wealthy, you'll continually be a victim of theft from accountants and lawyers. You'll see, mark my words. And this is no conspiracy theory, this is real freakin' life.

Victoria Secret catalogue refers to your continual whipping off in the bathroom. The only thing that matters to a 16 year old retard! In any event, I find your idealism quite funny. Thanks! :drink:

wow u are a complete moron, thats all ill say

flyingswoosh Wrote:i feel really bad for you. You will never do anything in your life, because your definition of unethical covers everything. The fact is that motivational speakers are ethical. Also, you show your ignorance by thinking that the job of a motivational speaker is to motivate people. Thet's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. get back to me when you actually find out what a motivational speaker does.

"i feel really bad for you."

That's funny. I feel bad for you, you have a whole disillusionment process in front of you and you don't realize it! Disillusionment, however, is a good thing. It is not good to cling to illusions.

"You will never do anything in your life, because your definition of unethical covers everything."

So I'm not doing something now? I am comatose?
Fact is, you retard, we all compromise our integrity to pay insurance and student loans. You'll understand when you grow up.

Lastly, what's this fascination you have with motivational speaking? Do you live in a van down by the river? That's funny, I thought you were the teenage Donnie Trump! :laugh:

[quote="KlutzDio I"] [quote="flyingswoosh"] i feel really bad for you.

my dad's one of the best motivational speakers in the country, that's why i know so much about the business. [/quote]
You haven't illustrated any of your knowledge on motivational speaking. All you have said is that it is a.) ethical, and b.) a good business. In regard to A, you didn't qualify your conclusion. You just said it's ethical, but you didn't give any reasons why or how it is ethical. On B, that certainly is debateable. Hitler and Il Duce were motivational speakers. So your dad's a fascist!?!?!? As for being a good business, I guess your pop makes alot of money. Hitler made alot of money!
So what kind of motivational speaking does he do? Incite hatred against minorities? Or does he sell crap on those infomercials? Does he address large assemblies of corporation executives, persuading them that their company's accounting is sound and that they will have a job, as long as they continue to close?

Really dude, my momma's a lawyer. Do I know anything about law? Well, the only thing I know is that it sucks! To put it quite honestly, I don't know d*ck about law. Just because my mother is a lawyer doesn't mean I know anything about it. Likewise, just because your poppa is a neo-Hitler doesn't mean you know anything about the business.

Anyway, it sounds like a scam to me! Money paid to those speakers could go for some good use, i.e. paying taxes so we can bomb other countries.

So are you a motivational speaker at your high school? Do you get up in front of the school during assemblies and tell all the little boys and girlies not to have premarital sex, and not to whip off while scanning the Victoria Secret catalogue? Are you one of those crack-pots who tell the student body that if they use drugs they'll die or become prostitutes? Or do you motivate children to go to Church on Sunday?

Since you are so into this motivational speaking thing, why don't you motivate me? You could call it motivational writing! But, there ain't no money in that! So if there isn't any money in it, I guess you aren't interested!

you are the most (deleted) paranoid person in the world. On top of that you know nothing. "neo-hitler"? "fascist"? what the hell are you talking about? a motivational speaker tells companies how to differentiate themselves from the competition. like customer service, etc. Before you judge them, why don't you ask the head of firestone how my dad helped them.

If you've been to as many speeches as me, i'll take you seriously, but until then you're just another s h i t head who thinks making money is bad.

Also, Hitler wasn't a motivational speaker, you freakin' idiot.

I know this is a personal question, but are you married?

"First, JBR, just because your wife left you (maybe), doesn't mean i will lose my wife. Conspiracy theories are great and all, but c'mon, that's a little extreme."

Did I say my wife left me? Just because something happens to one person doesn't mean it won't happen to another? And your point is. . .that just because your father's wife left him to lick my ex-wife's twang doesn't mean that you know what in the hell you're talking about?

And how does an institutional critique EQUAL a conspiracy theory?

You don't know what the albatross feels like, son.

But you will. You will. :chair:

KlutzDio I Wrote:JBR,

Subjectivist, not a nihilist. There is a difference.

Sorry, Dio. I thought you claimed the N flag at one point in one post or another.

"1. Total rejection of prevailing religious beliefs, moral principles, laws, etc., often from a sense of despair and the belief that life is devoid of meaning. Also more generally (merging with extended use of sense 3): negativity, destructiveness, hostility to accepted beliefs or established institutions."

That may not be you, but it sounds a lot like you, comrade! :wave:

Nothing to be ashamed of, though. I feel that way myself some days.

Then I just drink some whiskey and listen to Tony Robbins on the way to work and I'm fine!

flyingswoosh Wrote:you are the most (Deleted) paranoid person in the world.  On top of that you know nothing.  "neo-hitler"? "fascist"? what the hell are you talking about?  a motivational speaker tells companies how to differentiate themselves from the competition.  like customer service, etc.  Before you judge them, why don't you ask the head of firestone how my dad helped them.

If you've been to as many speeches as me, i'll take you seriously, but until then you're just another s h i t head who thinks making money is bad.

Also, Hitler wasn't a motivational speaker, you freakin' idiot.

I know this is a personal question, but are you married?

"you are the most (deleted) paranoid person in the world. On top of that you know nothing."

How am I paranoid? What makes you say this? Because I disagree with you?
As for know nothing, I'll have to agree with you there.


"a motivational speaker tells companies how to differentiate themselves from the competition. like customer service, etc. "

It sounds to me like your dad is a consultant. Remember that movie Office Space by Mike Judge? Well the two Bobs, who liked Michael Bolton (the no-talent ******-clown), were consultants. They, and real-life consultants, do interviews and speaking engagements and take a bundle from large corporations looking to downsize, so the corp. can save a bundle to pay the consultants.
Basically, consultants tell companies who they can fire. So that is what your poppy does? What an awful job. Why the hell would I want to do something like that?

"If you've been to as many speeches as me, i'll take you seriously, but until then you're just another s h i t head who thinks making money is bad."

Actually, I'm just focking with you, but you are unable to take a joke. I don't think making money is bad, I think making money in a less-than-honest manner is bad. Making money on the misery of others is bad.
Basically, you little high school jagoff, I'm peeved that our society and culture values things than only have extrinsic value rather than things that have intrinsic value. You'll see what I'm talking about after you join the adult world.

"Also, Hitler wasn't a motivational speaker, you freakin' idiot."

Hitler was a master orator, motivating crowds to back his program of war and genocide.

"are you married?"

Yes.

JBR, nihilism has a slightly different philosophical meaning, mostly associated with Nietzsche. It is the view that nothing has value. This position is usually arrived at through a less than rational approach, and I favor logic and proper reasoning too much to hold such a position. In Nietzsche's defense though, no one has offered any sound criticisms to his philosophy. That Ayn Rand ***** berated him and then copied his philosophical outlook in Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead and claimed it was "objectivism." She as an unoriginal tool just like C.S. Lewis.

Thanks for the clarification, comrade. I guess I was using it in the watered-down sense and not in the philosophical sense.

I've never claimed to be a philosopher, so that makes sense. :drink: