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Motown Bronco Wrote:The US Government not only gives billions to Israel, but to every nation. Yes, even the Palestinian Authority receives a stipend of US tax dollars, fer cryin' out loud.
Motown, that's a pretty good post, but this point is not true.

Israel is at the top of the U.S. foreign aid list. It receives $2.1 billion in military aid and $600 million in economic aid.

Next is Egypt, which receives $1.3 billion in military aid and about $615 million for social programs.

These are the only two countries that receive more than $1 billion in foreign aid annually.

Colombia receives about $540 billion to crack down on the drug trade and local terrorist organizations.

Jordan gets about $250 million in economic support and $198 million in military financing.

Peru, Ukraine, and Russia each receive about $200 million annually in economic and military aid.

The Palestinian Authority does not receive direct aid from the United States, but it does benefit from $70 million a year passed through U.N. refugee assistance programs, as well as about $75 million administered to water, housing, employment, and democracy programs.
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Schadenfreude Wrote:
Motown Bronco Wrote:The US Government not only gives billions to Israel, but to every nation. Yes, even the Palestinian Authority receives a stipend of US tax dollars, fer cryin' out loud.
Motown, that's a pretty good post, but this point is not true.

Israel is at the top of the U.S. foreign aid list. It receives $2.1 billion in military aid and $600 million in economic aid.

Next is Egypt, which receives $1.3 billion in military aid and about $615 million for social programs.

These are the only two countries that receive more than $1 billion in foreign aid annually.

Colombia receives about $540 billion to crack down on the drug trade and local terrorist organizations.

Jordan gets about $250 million in economic support and $198 million in military financing.

Peru, Ukraine, and Russia each receive about $200 million annually in economic and military aid.

The Palestinian Authority does not receive direct aid from the United States, but it does benefit from $70 million a year passed through U.N. refugee assistance programs, as well as about $75 million administered to water, housing, employment, and democracy programs.
Have you read your post and what you responded to? APPARENTLY NOT!!!!!
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This Liberal Stands with Israel in eerything it does.
Even if it means standing against the United States.
03-28-2004 09:31 AM
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RebelKev Wrote:
Schadenfreude Wrote:
Motown Bronco Wrote:The US Government not only gives billions to Israel, but to every nation. Yes, even the Palestinian Authority receives a stipend of US tax dollars, fer cryin' out loud.
Motown, that's a pretty good post, but this point is not true.

Israel is at the top of the U.S. foreign aid list. It receives $2.1 billion in military aid and $600 million in economic aid.

Next is Egypt, which receives $1.3 billion in military aid and about $615 million for social programs.

These are the only two countries that receive more than $1 billion in foreign aid annually.

Colombia receives about $540 billion to crack down on the drug trade and local terrorist organizations.

Jordan gets about $250 million in economic support and $198 million in military financing.

Peru, Ukraine, and Russia each receive about $200 million annually in economic and military aid.

The Palestinian Authority does not receive direct aid from the United States, but it does benefit from $70 million a year passed through U.N. refugee assistance programs, as well as about $75 million administered to water, housing, employment, and democracy programs.
Have you read your post and what you responded to? APPARENTLY NOT!!!!!
I don't follow.
03-28-2004 09:39 AM
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Maybe we should just send the Hamas roses, give them a slap on the butt and tell them good game. :rolleyes: I think not.

Joe, what is your defense for the validity of Anarchy, I'd love to hear this one.
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Ask Somalia how well it works :biggun:
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1. The Hamas are a recognized terrorist organization. They do not have protection of assasination rights. Isreal is not carrying out a war OF terrorism, they are carrying out a war ON terrorism, which by international law is perfectly justified.
2. The Al-Qaeda fall in the same catagory.
3. Yes, we did have diplomatic connections with Iraq before Saddam ordered his own civilians gassed.
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Quote:It has been observed, that any police SWAT team in any major U.S. city probably could have captured Uday and Qusay Hussein alive.
Whoever said this must not have taken into account how the police SWAT team would obtain access to these targets. I sincerely doubt the team could drive up to the building in the SWAT van as easily as in an American city. The capture of these two would not be as easy as this writer assumed.
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Quote:"official U.S. ban on executions of foreign leaders"
Applies to government officials, not leaders of terrorist organizations.
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Quote:U.S. forces in Iraq have been engaged in an increasing number of killings of civilians, as the campaign against resistance fighters, and the hunt for Saddam, have intensified.
This passage is misleading, as the tactics of the enemy has changed. EX: watch "RULES OF ENGAGEMENT" these "resistance fighters" are not uniformed members of an opposing government.
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The use of force by an established national government against illegal organizations is not new.
Today's keyword is Terrorists.
In the 1800's the keyword was Pirates. Forget the "Swashbuckling Johnny Depp." These were the "terrorists" of the old world.
Quote:As (Thomas) Jefferson wrote to Adams in a July 11, 1786, letter, "I acknolege [sic] I very early thought it would be best to effect a peace thro' the medium of war."
This was to lead to the Barbary Pirates War, and the attack on Tripoli which ended organized piracy on United States commercial shipping.

It is the same thing Isreal is doing today. Ridding the world of pirates by another name.
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DukeofDrums Wrote:INTMaybe we should just send the Hamas roses, give them a slap on the butt and tell them good game. :rolleyes: I think not.

Joe, what is your defense for the validity of Anarchy, I'd love to hear this one.
Hey, maybe we should just set up a false dichotomy, slap them on the arse and then felch the spunk from their puckered bunghole.

Mmm. Now I'm INTERESTED!

Seriously, why does everything have to be "we have to kill them before they kill us." Didn't you ever see Boyz N the Hood?

And then, you want to jump into a debate about the validity of Anarchy? Oh, nothing more than a couple hundred thousand years of human history. . .Let me guess. You're waiting for Fascism to come back into vogue?
03-30-2004 11:08 AM
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<a href='http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=fascism' target='_blank'>Merriam-Webster; Fascism</a>

<a href='http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=dichotomy&x=14&y=11' target='_blank'>Merriam-Webster; Dichotomy</a>

Now these are great words. Please explain to me how you intended to use these words, I'm trying to understand your train of thought.

Do you have examples to validate Anarchy?

My mind is open to your response.

I have seen "Boyz N the Hood" I also believe the "kill them before they kill us" is the correct action when combatting terrorism.
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Let me guess. You were educated in a public school.

Now that's something we could probably agree on. Public schools suck.

But anyway, a false dichotomy is when you frame an issue as choice A or B, when actually you neglect to mention C, D, E and so on.

E.g., the following is a "false dichotomy":

A) Assassinating Hamas leaders is moral and justified.

B) "Maybe we should just send the Hamas roses, give them a slap on the butt and tell them good game. I think not."

Do you see, now, how that term crept into the discussion?

Regarding the other term you had to look up:

fas·cism    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (fshzm)
n.
often Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

Oppressive, dictatorial control.

[Italian fascismo, from fascio, group, from Late Latin fascium, from Latin fascis, bundle.]
fas·cistic (f-shstk) adj.
Word History: It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority. The Italian name of the movement, fascismo, is derived from fascio, “bundle, (political) group,
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A pretty picture would be nice. :D
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I see the Duke spends much of his time watching Fox News. I watch it too, sometimes, it's really entertaining!

the only thing missing from your definition of Fascism, Stalin, is collectivity. Fascist states rely on the collectivization of society in that individuals become non-existent (except among the ruling elites) and no deviation from conformity, whether social, economic or political, is tolerated. Fascist states propagate a citizenry that resembles lemmings more than humans.

Maybe implicit in your definition is the underlying conflict between a highly developed and technologically advanced society and that state's agrarian cultural heritage. In this respect, the great war of values comes unfolds, usually characterized as secularism vs. traditionalism. See Hiedegger.

Also, perhaps more could be said about how the lines between government and private, for-profit corporations is obscured in the fascist system.

Well, read Paxton's Anatomy of Fascism. Amazingly researched, it must have taken him years.

Or, just watch Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rummie and Rove run the USA! :drink:
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Sorry, Dio, I've been watching FoxSPORTSNews too much. :beam:
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Just let Joe keep screaming "The sky is falling, the sky is falling"

........maybe he'll do it enough to lose his mind and wind up at Whitfield Mental Hospital.
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Is that what I'm yelling?

I'm assuming you're conceding the point, Kev? Israel really is a terrorist state? And you're a fascist?

Thanks for the lemmings clarification, Dio. I think that's right on the money. :roflol:
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Schadenfreude Wrote:
Motown Bronco Wrote:The US Government not only gives billions to Israel, but to every nation. Yes, even the Palestinian Authority receives a stipend of US tax dollars, fer cryin' out loud.
Motown, that's a pretty good post, but this point is not true.

Israel is at the top of the U.S. foreign aid list. It receives $2.1 billion in military aid and $600 million in economic aid.

Next is Egypt, which receives $1.3 billion in military aid and about $615 million for social programs.

These are the only two countries that receive more than $1 billion in foreign aid annually.

Colombia receives about $540 billion to crack down on the drug trade and local terrorist organizations.

Jordan gets about $250 million in economic support and $198 million in military financing.

Peru, Ukraine, and Russia each receive about $200 million annually in economic and military aid.

The Palestinian Authority does not receive direct aid from the United States, but it does benefit from $70 million a year passed through U.N. refugee assistance programs, as well as about $75 million administered to water, housing, employment, and democracy programs.
You're right. I should've said: The US Government not only gives billions to Israel, but gives aid to every nation. Didn't mean to suggest that we give billions to every country.
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I also wanted to add that I agree with much of your post, Mo. Just one nit-picking, though:

"Terrorism is never acceptable, regardless of who's doing it. Blowing up an innocent third-party simply because this third-party has the same skin color and religious faith as the real target of angst is collectivist fascism at its most extreme. Don't like the Israeli soldiers patrolling Jenin? Then take it up with the soldiers and their directives. Not with third-graders at a Tel Aviv school."

See also: Afghanistan, Iraq.
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