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MaumeeRocket Wrote:I remeber people booing him, i was rolling on the floor laughing :roflol:

The boos were loud, but certainly not even close to being from a majority. There were also cheers. He's been completely vindicated over time and should be commended for speaking up when most didn't have the guts to denounce the traitorous scum who misled this country into going to war.

Its pretty bad when people in Hollywood boo you. The only thing proven is he is an idiot.

Arnie, Clint, Chuck and a few Disney execs sure can make a lot of noise, can't they?

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Oddball Wrote:Looks like he was pretty accurate, eh?

Quote:On behalf of our producers Kathleen Glynn and Michael Donovan from Canada, I'd like to thank the Academy for this. I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to - they're here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction. We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons. Whether it's the fiction of duct tape or fiction of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you. And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up. Thank you very much.

Someone should tell him that his so called talent is "fictitous"

Gee, you sure rebutted his statements!

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GDawgs88 Wrote:Can't wait to see this one flop. :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

Like his last two documentaries? :roflol:

Don't worry Oprah will tout as the best picture of the year :drink:

No, documentaries don't tend to get nominated for Picture of the Year due to having their own category. He may win that one, though. He has before. Remember?

Look at that anger, i give a similarity, but its banned in the AUP.

I'm also angry that Bush lied to go to war, squandered the good will of the entire world, and blew a chance to unite this country in ways never before possible. In fact, it would seem to me that to be otherwise would indicate a simpleness of mind or a lack of patriotism.

I hope you aren't referring to him as a patriot, there has been many anti-war demonstrators who are patriots, but this guy isnt even in the same leauge. Jane Fonda is Abe Lincoln compared to this guy.

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Oddball Wrote:Looks like he was pretty accurate, eh?

Quote:On behalf of our producers Kathleen Glynn and Michael Donovan from Canada, I'd like to thank the Academy for this. I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to - they're here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction. We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons. Whether it's the fiction of duct tape or fiction of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you. And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up. Thank you very much.

Someone should tell him that his so called talent is "fictitous"

Gee, you sure rebutted his statements!

What statements, repeating shame on you over and over, at least he is considered a great thinker :rolleyes:

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MaumeeRocket Wrote:I remeber people booing him, i was rolling on the floor laughing :roflol:

The boos were loud, but certainly not even close to being from a majority. There were also cheers. He's been completely vindicated over time and should be commended for speaking up when most didn't have the guts to denounce the traitorous scum who misled this country into going to war.

Its pretty bad when people in Hollywood boo you. The only thing proven is he is an idiot.

Arnie, Clint, Chuck and a few Disney execs sure can make a lot of noise, can't they?

They must have the voice of hundreds, im impressed

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GDawgs88 Wrote:Can't wait to see this one flop. :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

Like his last two documentaries? :roflol:

Don't worry Oprah will tout as the best picture of the year :drink:

No, documentaries don't tend to get nominated for Picture of the Year due to having their own category. He may win that one, though. He has before. Remember?

Look at that anger, i give a similarity, but its banned in the AUP.

I'm also angry that Bush lied to go to war, squandered the good will of the entire world, and blew a chance to unite this country in ways never before possible. In fact, it would seem to me that to be otherwise would indicate a simpleness of mind or a lack of patriotism.

I hope you aren't referring to him as a patriot, there has been many anti-war demonstrators who are patriots, but this guy isnt even in the same leauge. Jane Fonda is Abe Lincoln compared to this guy.

You support the chickenhawk regime that is ruining this country without questioning their patriotism, why would you question Moore's? He's at least as patriotic as Bush or Cheney. He's definitely worked harder at making improvements than they have.

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Oddball Wrote:Looks like he was pretty accurate, eh?

Quote:On behalf of our producers Kathleen Glynn and Michael Donovan from Canada, I'd like to thank the Academy for this. I have invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us, and we would like to - they're here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction. We like nonfiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elects a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons. Whether it's the fiction of duct tape or fiction of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you. And any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up. Thank you very much.

Someone should tell him that his so called talent is "fictitous"

Gee, you sure rebutted his statements!

What statements, repeating shame on you over and over, at least he is considered a great thinker :rolleyes:

I looked it up for you, I'm not going to read it for you, as well.

What has he done, made a movie, maybe I should make a movie, will i be a patriot?

MaumeeRocket Wrote:What has he done, made a movie, maybe I should make a movie, will i be a patriot?

Sure, you could review it without having ever shot it.

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MaumeeRocket Wrote:What has he done, made a movie, maybe I should make a movie, will i be a patriot?

Sure, you could review it without having ever shot it.

Why would I have to review it, i have the internet, type Far. 9/11 into Yahoo, what do you get? This guy is a far left extremist, who for some reason gets off on making films about "so called evidence" about the Saudi Gov't funding 9/11.

So I guess a look at some so-called evidence might convince you, eh rational thinker?

joebordenrebel Wrote:So I guess a look at some so-called evidence might convince you, eh rational thinker?

Do you have realiable sources? This would be a first!

You know, M, it's funny.

No matter who my sources are (e.g., the Department of Defense), it always seem to fall under the category of "biased" for you and yours.

Must suck to have the world against you, eh Rocket?

The <a href='http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=life&s=cottle050704' target='_blank'>New Republic</a> had a good commentary on Moore and Disney a few days back.

As far as "documentary" filmmaker <a href='http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html' target='_blank'>Michael Moore</a>, I admittedly agree with the guy on Iraq, but the accolades really do stop there. I generally disagree with over 90% of his viewpoints, and he simply comes across as the Ann Coulter of the Left. But I'm glad he has a voice. Opposing opinions are indeed a good thing.

Speaking of the New Republic, the film <a href='http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ShatteredGlass-1127149/' target='_blank'>Shattered Glass</a> is highly recommendable. One of the best movies I've seen in the past year.

That didn't seem to be very good commentary to me, Motown. For example, "For instance, the Columbine killers did not, as the title of Moore's 2002 movie suggests, attend bowling class the morning of their homicidal rampage." is exactly what they claim Moore does. The title in no way suggest this, and the movie is very clear about the timeline involved. And criticizing the fact that he put together two versions of the infamous Willie Horton ads as intellectually dishonest is pretty ridiculous. Especially when it is even more intellectually dishonest to claim that they were produced by two entirely different entities.

Is Moore partisan? No doubt. Is he anti-Bush? With every fiber of his being. Is he a gadfly? Indeed, it's how he makes his living. He's also an incredibly gifted film maker, a very popular and articulate speaker (as evidenced by the fact that he sells out arenas around the world), and a pretty decent writer. He plays a little loose with facts now and then, but nowhere to the level that his targets or his critics do. To compare him to Ann Coulter, for example, is much more dishonest than anything he's ever said. This is a woman who idolizes and defends Joe McCarthy, and completely makes things up in almost psychotic fashion. For Moore to be her equivalent, he would have to lionize someone like Stalin and claim that Dick Cheney sacrifices and eats babies.

He is an artist who uses his chosen medium to express his admittedly partisan viewpoint. For this he is reviled by the right and demonized by their media outlets. He was one of the first outspoken critics of the rush to war. While not a wildly popular opinion at the time, it has grown on quite a few people since. He was one of the first to question Bush's military records. Again, he was ridiculed for it. Since Bush still hasn't released his service records. I'll put that in Mike's column, too. For all of his flaws, he does push issues into the light that a lot of people would rather keep hidden. He's about to do the same for the post-9/11 Saudi exodus flights. Watch and see if he's right again.

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:Said Disney spokeswoman Zenia Mucha: "Disney has offered to sell Miramax's interest in the film to either a third party or Harvey and Bob."

Liberal media alert.

Zenia Mucha was long the director of communications for New York Governor George Pataki.*

To the subject at hand: I enjoy Michael Moore's work and I share his hatred for the imbicle now occupying the White House.

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* Republican.

Quote:He is an artist who uses his chosen medium to express his admittedly partisan viewpoint. For this he is reviled by the right and demonized by their media outlets.

Of course, we could bring up a number of conservative mouthpieces, and then simply replace the word "right" with "left" in that second sentence.

Quote:He plays a little loose with facts now and then, but nowhere to the level that his targets or his critics do.

I disagree here. I think it's a lot more than "a little".

Motown Bronco Wrote:The <a href='http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=life&s=cottle050704' target='_blank'>New Republic</a> had a good commentary on Moore and Disney a few days back.

As far as "documentary" filmmaker <a href='http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html' target='_blank'>Michael Moore</a>, I admittedly agree with the guy on Iraq, but the accolades really do stop there. I generally disagree with over 90% of his viewpoints, and he simply comes across as the Ann Coulter of the Left. But I'm glad he has a voice. Opposing opinions are indeed a good thing.

Speaking of the New Republic, the film <a href='http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ShatteredGlass-1127149/' target='_blank'>Shattered Glass</a> is highly recommendable. One of the best movies I've seen in the past year.

I think Motown has touched on something here.

First of all, I'll address Rocket for his diatribe against Moore and his movies.

Mr. Maumee Rocket, I think it goes without saying that Moore is far left, and it futhermore goes without saying that you disagree with leftist positions. Given that perhaps you should simply not watch Moore's movies, not read Moore's books and stay away from the TV when Moore is on it. Should you act on this suggestion, maybe you'd be a little happier.

Moore's 'Bowling...' was a good documentary. It cast Moses in a very bad light. His research for the movie, for the most part, was pretty well-done, he must not have done the fact-finding himself.

Moore's books are very bad. In 'Stupid White Men' he had a lot quotes out of context and he ingored things that the stupid white men have done that everyone might agree with. He had strawman fallacies all over the place, and consequently, I quit reading at that point. He very much reminded me of Ann Coulter of the left.

Back to 'Bowling...' I liked the movie for several reasons, and those deal with his illumination that a culture of fear exists in the United States and has since we were 13 fledgling colonies. Fear is evident on the local news every night. Fear is evident in the political speeches local and national politicians give each and everyday. We are fearful of "heathen" religions, "heathen" cultures, we are fearful of the Left, of the Right, fearful of crime, we fear those with differing political ideas and those who employ sound logic. We fear other nations and we fear education. It takes a very critical mind to see our collective fear. For this, I think 'Bowling...' was more of a movie dealing with social criticism more than an examination of guns and our second amendment rights.

Same here. I couldn't finish "Stupid", but "Bowling for Columbine" was extremely well done.

Motown Bronco Wrote:Of course, we could bring up a number of conservative mouthpieces, and then simply replace the word "right" with "left" in that second sentence.

The difference of course being that if he were a Con then he'd be on for three hours a day, five days a week, in every major and minor market in the nation.