Interesting article (you will need to watch an ad prior to reading the article) on <a href='http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/05/22/polls/index.html' target='_blank'>Bush's popularity</a> using figures from a huge variety of polls.

Oddball Wrote:Interesting article (you will need to watch an ad prior to reading the article) on <a href='http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/05/22/polls/index.html' target='_blank'>Bush's popularity</a> using figures from a huge variety of polls.

Not concerned at all

Why would anyone elect Kerry who lied that he had an SUV even though he is an "environmentalist?"

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:Why would anyone elect Kerry who lied that he had an SUV even though he is an "environmentalist?"

As opposed to someone who tells lies that send our children off to die for fictition and ever shifting reasons?

Think before you type. :rolleyes:

Oddball Wrote:

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:Why would anyone elect Kerry who lied that he had an SUV even though he is an "environmentalist?"

As opposed to someone who tells lies that send our children off to die for fictition and ever shifting reasons?

Think before you type. :rolleyes:

It will be interesting to see if Kerry gets elected, how long it is before we are in another war. You know its going to happen, just look at all the predecessors, and I wonder if these anti-war people will desert him like they did Clinton. Remember Ohio State in 98 before the air strikes against Iraq, Albright getting booed and jeered by the anti war left. But all of a sudden voting democrat will bring the troops home. I actually hope Kerry wins becasue the next four years would be entertaining, I bet Michael Moore jumps on board when we raid Somalia again.

Oddball Wrote:

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:Why would anyone elect Kerry who lied that he had an SUV even though he is an "environmentalist?"

As opposed to someone who tells lies that send our children off to die for fictition and ever shifting reasons?

Think before you type. :rolleyes:

I do think before I type...How did he lie sending our kidos off to war...In ever speach he has given he talks about how things arn't going to get easier all off a sudden...It will be a SLOOOOOW GRADUAL change...Now think before you type and have something behind what you say next time...

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:Why would anyone elect Kerry who lied that he had an SUV even though he is an "environmentalist?"

As opposed to someone who tells lies that send our children off to die for fictition and ever shifting reasons?

Think before you type. :rolleyes:

I do think before I type...How did he lie sending our kidos off to war...In ever speach he has given he talks about how things arn't going to get easier all off a sudden...It will be a SLOOOOOW GRADUAL change...Now think before you type and have something behind what you say next time...

You've just proven to be beneath this conversation. I do apologize, however, you must actually educate yourself before you can do the thinking that I suggested. Your ignorance is appalling.

MaumeeRocket Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:Why would anyone elect Kerry who lied that he had an SUV even though he is an "environmentalist?"

As opposed to someone who tells lies that send our children off to die for fictition and ever shifting reasons?

Think before you type. :rolleyes:

It will be interesting to see if Kerry gets elected, how long it is before we are in another war. You know its going to happen, just look at all the predecessors, and I wonder if these anti-war people will desert him like they did Clinton. Remember Ohio State in 98 before the air strikes against Iraq, Albright getting booed and jeered by the anti war left. But all of a sudden voting democrat will bring the troops home. I actually hope Kerry wins becasue the next four years would be entertaining, I bet Michael Moore jumps on board when we raid Somalia again.

Speaking for myself:

I know we are stuck in this ****** hole mess for a long while. Voting for Kerry isn't going to speed up getting folks home, necessarily.

What is going to make voting for Kerry this November nearly orgasmic for me is the knowledge that he has enough common sense to keep us out of ****** hole messes like Iraq in the first place.

This is my belief:

Put ten Democrats and ten Republicans (including Bush) in a box. Shake it up. Pull one out and install him (or her) as commander in chief on Sept. 11, 2001.

Twenty times out of twenty, we kick Taliban ****** just like Bush did.

But only one time in twenty do we invade Iraq in the haphazard manner we did -- and only when Bush is pulled out of the box.

Bush concocted the Second Persian Gulf War in his head. This is my firm belief. This was a war of choice, and I don't believe any other president -- Republican or Democrat -- would have sent our troops into Iraq. It was such an abundantly stupid thing to do when our presence is so desperately needed in Afganistan to, like, catch the guy actually responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001 massacre. We have 15,000 troops in Afghanistan, which is still ruled mostly by warlords, much as it was before we went in. And we have 135,000 troops in Iraq, which had nothing at all to do with the Sept. 11, 2001 massacre.

It defies my comprehension and it always will.

If there is a hell, I firmly believe Bush is going there.

Schadenfreude Wrote:

MaumeeRocket Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:Why would anyone elect Kerry who lied that he had an SUV even though he is an "environmentalist?"

As opposed to someone who tells lies that send our children off to die for fictition and ever shifting reasons?

Think before you type. :rolleyes:

It will be interesting to see if Kerry gets elected, how long it is before we are in another war. You know its going to happen, just look at all the predecessors, and I wonder if these anti-war people will desert him like they did Clinton. Remember Ohio State in 98 before the air strikes against Iraq, Albright getting booed and jeered by the anti war left. But all of a sudden voting democrat will bring the troops home. I actually hope Kerry wins becasue the next four years would be entertaining, I bet Michael Moore jumps on board when we raid Somalia again.

Speaking for myself:

I know we are stuck in this ****** hole mess for a long while. Voting for Kerry isn't going to speed up getting folks home, necessarily.

What is going to make voting for Kerry this November nearly orgasmic for me is the knowledge that he has enough common sense to keep us out of ****** hole messes like Iraq in the first place.

This is my belief:

Put ten Democrats and ten Republicans (including Bush) in a box. Shake it up. Pull one out and install him (or her) as commander in chief on Sept. 11, 2001.

Twenty times out of twenty, we kick Taliban ****** just like Bush did.

But only one time in twenty do we invade Iraq in the haphazard manner we did -- and only when Bush is pulled out of the box.

Bush concocted the Second Persian Gulf War in his head. This is my firm belief. This was a war of choice, and I don't believe any other president -- Republican or Democrat -- would have sent our troops into Iraq. It was such an abundantly stupid thing to do when our presence is so desperately needed in Afganistan to, like, catch the guy actually responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001 massacre. We have 15,000 troops in Afghanistan, which is still ruled mostly by warlords, much as it was before we went in. And we have 135,000 troops in Iraq, which had nothing at all to do with the Sept. 11, 2001 massacre.

It defies my comprehension and it always will.

If there is a hell, I firmly believe Bush is going there.

You are giving Bush way too much credit. This war did not come from George Bush's mind. This was an agenda that was set up by the hawks in the Pentagon after the iraqi bombings in 98. This would have went through at this time, but Clinton had to watch his back because of the intern rumors and the errors in Somalia. Clinton wasn't going to take the chance of the current situation happening. When Bush was elected the Hawks saw a President that would take the chance. After 9/11 they saw the door open up and the general public willingness to accept military operations after the sucess in Afghanistan. To think this is something that Bush brought with him is far stretched and not in line with the facts. This has been an agenda of the american government ever since the first gulf war.

MaumeeRocket Wrote:You are giving Bush way too much credit.

What a weird position to be in. :D

Quote:This war did not come from George Bush's mind. This was an agenda that was set up by the hawks in the Pentagon after the iraqi bombings in 98.

For clarity's sake: We were bombing them, right?

Quote:This would have went through at this time, but Clinton had to watch his back because of the intern rumors and the errors in Somalia. Clinton wasn't going to take the chance of the current situation happening. When Bush was elected the Hawks saw a President that would take the chance. After 9/11 they saw the door open up and the general public willingness to accept military operations after the sucess in Afghanistan. To think this is something that Bush brought with him is far stretched and not in line with the facts. This has been an agenda of the american government ever since the first gulf war.

If what you say is true, I believe very few men of either party would have gone along with it.

And I must point out that many of the most vocierious advocates of going to war with Iraq were people Bush brought with him into the White House.

So was it this neutral Defense Department establishment? Or was the Bush clique itself?

I tend to think the latter.

You *may* be right. Bush *may not* have invented this in his head. But I can't believe we have a president so empty-headed as to think this was ever a good idea.

"or clarity's sake: We were bombing them, right?"
Yes after the inspectors left the first time.

"And I must point out that many of the most vocierious advocates of going to war with Iraq were people Bush brought with him into the White House."
"So was it this neutral Defense Department establishment? Or was the Bush clique itself?"
"I tend to think the latter."
Many of the poster children for this war were in the Pentagon during the Bush and Clinton years. There is alot of evidence that a plan had been worked out before Bush got in office for a quick invasion if an F-16 was shot down over the no-fly zones. While the architects of this plan were in the Pentagon before Bush, everyone knows Cheney and Rumsfeld put ti on the fast track to implementation.

Oddball Wrote:

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:

UCBearcats1125 Wrote:Why would anyone elect Kerry who lied that he had an SUV even though he is an "environmentalist?"

As opposed to someone who tells lies that send our children off to die for fictition and ever shifting reasons?

Think before you type. :rolleyes:

I do think before I type...How did he lie sending our kidos off to war...In ever speach he has given he talks about how things arn't going to get easier all off a sudden...It will be a SLOOOOOW GRADUAL change...Now think before you type and have something behind what you say next time...

You've just proven to be beneath this conversation. I do apologize, however, you must actually educate yourself before you can do the thinking that I suggested. Your ignorance is appalling.

Yup you are 100% right... :roflol: