Where did the left comment come from? I'm talking about W and his mindless minions following him into the abysss. How many insiders have to tell you that this guy is reckless at best incompetent at worst.

Dogger Wrote:Where did the left comment come from? I'm talking about W and his mindless minions following him into the abysss. How many insiders have to tell you that this guy is reckless at best incompetent at worst.

What insiders?

from the treasury guy, to the counter terrorism guy... Do you follow the news?????

Dogger Wrote:from the treasury guy, to the counter terrorism guy...  Do you follow the news?????

Who? Again, it's someone's opinion and political agenda. I can sit here all day and name names of people that counter THEIR points.......so what's the point? You guys aren't going to be for it anyway. Well, unless Clinton had done it. Were you for going into the Balkans? How about striking Iraq with Tomahawks? Seems partisan to me. You know, like everyone knew Saddam had WMD's until Bush got into office and until it wasn't popular to take that stance. That, my friend, is gambling national security with a political agenda. The question isn't whether or not he had WMD's as they were unaccounted for and everyone, to include Democrats, knew he had them, it's where are they now?

Reb,

I believe he had them, he still would have them if we wouldn't have went in. HE WAS CONTAINED Now the scary part..... where are they now???????

Dogger Wrote:Reb,

I believe he had them, he still would have them if we wouldn't have went in. HE WAS CONTAINED Now the scary part..... where are they now???????

I wasn't concerned that Saddam would have attacked us; I WAS, however, concerned that he would have supplied terrorists with biological and chemical agents for use in the States or her allies. Contained? Hell, that's like saying Gotti was contained and had no influence on the outside "underworld" and didn't have the power to have someone killed.

Saddam and the religious fanatics were not close. Saddam saw them as a threat to his power and Saddam knew if he would have supplied the terrorists with weapons we would have found out. He simply was not a threat.

FACT we are now in greater danger than we were before. Simply because we have alienated allies and really emboldened the terrorists. The worse thing we could have done is invade an oil rich Arab nation and set up a puppet govt. to do our work. WE NEED AN ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCE..... REPEAT AFTER ME WE NEED AN ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCE.....

Dogger Wrote:FACT we are now in greater danger than we were before.  Simply because we have alienated allies and really emboldened the terrorists.

What "allies" that are against us now ever helped us protect our country to begin with? I TOTALLY disagree that we are less safe than before. Are you saying the terrorists liked us better before we went after them? Well, "F" 'em. WE were attacked on 9/11, I guess that was a "love tap"; if that doesn't tell you how they feel about us, I don't know what will.

....and if Saddam wasn't in bed with terrorists, well, why then did one of his intel officers meet with Atta, why did he pay Palestinian homicide bomber's familes, and why was there a terrorist training camp right down the road from Baghdad?

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From the State Dep't Web Site:

Quote:Iraq

Iraq planned and sponsored international terrorism in 2002. Throughout the year, the Iraqi Intelligence Services (IIS) laid the groundwork for possible attacks against civilian and military targets in the United States and other Western countries. The IIS reportedly instructed its agents in early 2001 that their main mission was to obtain information about US and Israeli targets. The IIS also threatened dissidents in the Near East and Europe and stole records and computer files detailing antiregime activity. In December 2002, the press claimed Iraqi intelligence killed Walid al-Mayahi, a Shi’a Iraqi refugee in Lebanon and member of the Iraqi National Congress.

Iraq was a safehaven, transit point, and operational base for groups and individuals who direct violence against the United States, Israel, and other countries. Baghdad overtly assisted two categories of Iraqi-based terrorist organizations—Iranian dissidents devoted to toppling the Iranian Government and a variety of Palestinian groups opposed to peace with Israel. The groups include the Iranian Mujahedin-e Khalq, the Abu Nidal organization (although Iraq reportedly killed its leader), the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), and the Arab Liberation Front (ALF). In the past year, the PLF increased its operational activity against Israel and sent its members to Iraq for training for future terrorist attacks.

Baghdad provided material assistance to other Palestinian terrorist groups that are in the forefront of the intifadah. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, HAMAS, and the Palestine Islamic Jihad are the three most important groups to whom Baghdad has extended outreach and support efforts.

Saddam paid the families of Palestinian suicide bombers to encourage Palestinian terrorism, channeling $25,000 since March through the ALF alone to families of suicide bombers in Gaza and the West Bank. Public testimonials by Palestinian civilians and officials and cancelled checks captured by Israel in the West Bank verify the transfer of a considerable amount of Iraqi money.

The presence of several hundred al-Qaida operatives fighting with the small Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam in the northeastern corner of Iraqi Kurdistan—where the IIS operates—is well documented. Iraq has an agent in the most senior levels of Ansar al-Islam as well. In addition, small numbers of highly placed al-Qaida militants were present in Baghdad and areas of Iraq that Saddam controls. It is inconceivable these groups were in Iraq without the knowledge and acquiescence of Saddam’s regime. In the past year, al-Qaida operatives in northern Iraq concocted suspect chemicals under the direction of senior al-Qaida associate Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi and tried to smuggle them into Russia, Western Europe, and the United States for terrorist operations.

Iraq is a party to five of the 12 international conventions and protocols relating to terrorism.

The training camp that was right down the road was like the distance between San Fran and L.A. It was in Kurd controlled territory. We always hear bout these terrorist camps. Do you realize we have terrorist camps right here in the good old U S of A. Reb, I really do respect the members of our armed forces and it's commendable that you believe in the cause.

Something that I do wonder about though, do you think reservists and especially the national gaurd should be put in situations they have not had training for? Has this led to some problems? Should Rumsfeld lose his job? Maybe you can't answer these questions because answering them truthfully betrays your training. I think this war was started under false pretensions. You think it was to promote democracy. I hope you are right I'm afraid I am.


****** correction Last night I heard about Salmon Pak??? which is supposedly a terrorist camp near baghdad. Never heard of it before. Problem now is Do you believe your govt?

The training camp that was right down the road was like the distance between San Fran and L.A. It was in Kurd controlled territory. We always hear bout these terrorist camps. Do you realize we have terrorist camps right here in the good old U S of A. Reb, I really do respect the members of our armed forces and it's commendable that you believe in the cause.

Something that I do wonder about though, do you think reservists and especially the national gaurd should be put in situations they have not had training for? Has this led to some problems? Should Rumsfeld lose his job? Maybe you can't answer these questions because answering them truthfully betrays your training. I think this war was started under false pretensions. You think it was to promote democracy. I hope you are right I'm afraid I am.

BTW------ 9 / 11 HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ!!!!!

We have diverted attention away from the real enemy to deal with Iraq.