Trooper Wrote:Yeah sure let's send another 50,000 troops and 80 billion dollars to Sudan, my great-great grandchildren can help pay for it.

While we're at it let's rebuild their country for them.

Maybe we can get involved in a guerilla war while we're trying to give them democracy.

If we are going to continue circumventing the U.N. prcedures let's at least withdraw our membership and throw them out of the country.......they cost us a lot of money.

So you choose to let the Sudanese people die by the thousands.

Ok, just making sure.

The U.S. can't diffuse this situation by itself right now. And I don't think we should alone right now.

However, it is very noteworthy to point out how absolutely useless the U.N. is. What will it be next from the U.N.? Another "resolution" in 2 months, ASKING for an end violence yet again? Another resolution in 4 months?

As the U.N. sits around, the body bags continue to be filled in the Sudan, and it won't stop anytime soon.

But hey, why should France and Germany do anything about the Sudan when they can sit around and ***** about the U.S.?

Maybe I'm being a little too patriotic and simplistic, but screw Europe and the UN. Bush DID go and ask for help, they spit in his face. It is they who needs to "repair ties with us". They need us a HELLUVA lot more than we need them. We have been there for them at every struggle, they screw us over on this one. The hell with 'em all. They are coming here in droves.....it isn't the other way around....which could very well be a reason for their jealousy.

RebelKev Wrote:Maybe I'm being a little too patriotic and simplistic, but screw Europe and the UN. Bush DID go and ask for help, they spit in his face. It is they who needs to "repair ties with us". They need us a HELLUVA lot more than we need them. We have been there for them at every struggle, they screw us over on this one. The hell with 'em all. They are coming here in droves.....it isn't the other way around....which could very well be a reason for their jealousy.

France, Germany, and the better part of Europe have thumbed their nose at the U.S. for a very long time now.

Europe has always had a distain for the U.S., since we have become a superpower through democracy and capitalism. They can't stand that, especially since many of their nations have been around for a much longer time.

I agree with you. The U.S. should try to maintain strong ties with those nations, BUT, the European nations need to get their noses out of the air and for ONCE make a conjoined effort to reach out to the U.S. and repair the broken ties that they've honored for many years now.

It's funny though, they didn't seem to mind our superior power when it was our soldiers liberating their countries in WW2.

RebelKev Wrote:Maybe I'm being a little too patriotic and simplistic, but screw Europe and the UN. Bush DID go and ask for help, they spit in his face. It is they who needs to "repair ties with us". They need us a HELLUVA lot more than we need them. We have been there for them at every struggle, they screw us over on this one. The hell with 'em all. They are coming here in droves.....it isn't the other way around....which could very well be a reason for their jealousy.

I totally agree with you Kev. I would have normally said that the U.S. & the rest of the U.N. need to fix the Sudan problem immediately and save all those innocent lives, but as recent history is showing, we will only get kicked in the nuts later on by those exact people that we helped, so we should stay neutral. Unfortunately, the people who are [for the time being] innocent human beings suffer because of this. Actually, I wish that we would claim a new friendship with France, only so that terrorists would look at them as an enemy also and hopefully bomb them. :D

That may sound bad to some of you, but France would really deserve anything that they could get from the terrorists, IMO.

RebelKev Wrote:Maybe I'm being a little too patriotic and simplistic, but screw Europe and the UN. Bush DID go and ask for help, they spit in his face. It is they who needs to "repair ties with us". They need us a HELLUVA lot more than we need them. We have been there for them at every struggle, they screw us over on this one. The hell with 'em all. They are coming here in droves.....it isn't the other way around....which could very well be a reason for their jealousy.

I'd also be in favor of moving Hollywood to France.

They belong there more than they do here.

Wait- I forgot. John Kerry told us that Woopi Goldbeg is the "Heart and Soul of America" :rolleyes:

The Knight Time Wrote:Schadenfreude

So, 4 different reports say that Iraq had WMD, Saddam Hussein is possibly the most ruthless dicator in the world, and just 3 years ago our country had been hit by suicide terrorists- and it's a known fact that Hussein funds families of suicide terrorists.

There was a clear threat.

Saddam had no plan to attack the United States and Saddam was not collaborating with others with plans to do so.

There was no threat.

Schadenfreude Wrote:

The Knight Time Wrote:Schadenfreude

So, 4 different reports say that Iraq had WMD, Saddam Hussein is possibly the most ruthless dicator in the world, and just 3 years ago our country had been hit by suicide terrorists- and it's a known fact that Hussein funds families of suicide terrorists.

There was a clear threat.

Saddam had no plan to attack the United States and Saddam was not collaborating with others with plans to do so.

There was no threat.

You are either very misinformed or just dismissive of the facts. The Butler investigation (Great Britain), just released, said that there was evidence (beyond the forged documents) that support Iraq's attempt to get uranium from Niger. The 9/11 Commission notes ties between Iraq and Al-Queda. Three European nation security offices warned the U.S of Iraq's plans to attack the U.S. and its interests as well as Russia's President Putin personally warning President Bush of their intelligence to this end.

If successful, the cry from the public would be deafening that we ignored warnings and that the administration did not secure the puclic's interest. Thank God that this did not happen.

Schadenfreude Wrote:

The Knight Time Wrote:Schadenfreude

So, 4 different reports say that Iraq had WMD, Saddam Hussein is possibly the most ruthless dicator in the world, and just 3 years ago our country had been hit by suicide terrorists- and it's a known fact that Hussein funds families of suicide terrorists.

There was a clear threat.

Saddam had no plan to attack the United States and Saddam was not collaborating with others with plans to do so.

There was no threat.

......and the list grows.

Really?

-Kerry Said Saddam Hussein’s WMD “Are A Threat.

Schadenfreude Wrote:

The Knight Time Wrote:Schadenfreude

So, 4 different reports say that Iraq had WMD, Saddam Hussein is possibly the most ruthless dicator in the world, and just 3 years ago our country had been hit by suicide terrorists- and it's a known fact that Hussein funds families of suicide terrorists.

There was a clear threat.

Saddam had no plan to attack the United States and Saddam was not collaborating with others with plans to do so.

There was no threat.

You say that with confidence you are not entitled to.


You also ignore the millions who were suffering and literally appealing to the US (or anyone) to do something.

Europe's indifference speaks volume about their society. And it isn't good. To admire them is to retreat from what humanity can be.