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Quote:ut abortion advocates aren't rallying to Kerry's view of conception, so they're not arguing church-state separation, either. In summary, they have lost ground on science, emotional appeals, constitutional law … What's left?

Insanity. Meet Amy Richards, whose "When One is Enough" article in The New York Times Magazine told of how she unregretfully aborted two of her triplets because it would mean "shopping only at Costco and buying big jars of mayonnaise." Without the abortions, she exclaimed, "I'd have to give up my life!" That life is one where she's a Planned Parenthood leader, a consultant to Gloria Steinem, and founder of the Third Wave Foundation, which funds abortions. She's also one of the brains behind Planned Parenthood T-shirts that proudly proclaim, "I had an abortion."

having to go to costco & buying bulk mayonaise is good reason to have an abortion. :rolleyes:

Exactly.

13 million children die every year because people are selfish and treat life like something you buy at Wal Mart.

It's sickening, and it plagues our nation.

The Knight Time Wrote:Exactly.&nbsp;

13 million children die every year because people are selfish and treat life like something you buy at Wal Mart.

It's sickening, and it plagues our nation.

Where do you get your 13 million/year stat?

Most sites I've read estimate 1 million/year.

BTW, thanks for the article Safety Eagle.

Because, like most anti-choicers, they lie and distort so they can impose their religious beliefs on everyone...

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:Because, like most anti-choicers, they lie and distort so they can impose their religious beliefs on everyone...

The irony of that sentence could win awards.

DrTorch Wrote:

The Knight Time Wrote:Exactly.&nbsp;

13 million children die every year because people are selfish and treat life like something you buy at Wal Mart.

It's sickening, and it plagues our nation.

Where do you get your 13 million/year stat?

Most sites I've read estimate 1 million/year.

1 million/13 million who cares it even 1 is 1 too many

DrTorch Wrote:

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:Because, like most anti-choicers, they lie and distort so they can impose their religious beliefs on everyone...

The irony of that sentence could win awards.

yes it should, coz he didnt really read the article

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:Because, like most anti-choicers, they lie and distort so they can impose their religious beliefs on everyone...

Here's a fact.

By supporting abortion, you support killing an child and denying that child the RIGHT to a life that you so selfishly possess.

How's that for a fact?

Oh, I forgot, it's a "choice". I mean, everyone should be able to choose whether or not to kill someone, right? :rolleyes:

BTW- This has nothing to do with religion. Murderers are sent to jail, abortion doctors are given awards. It doesn't take a religious person to realize that absolute travesty and hypocricy taking place in our nation.

Christianity Today is not exactly an objective source on this debate, fellas.

You wouldn't accept The Nation or Mother Jones as an evenhanded outlet for an article on the subject, either...

Quote:Here's a fact.

By supporting abortion, you support killing an child and denying that child the RIGHT to a life that you so selfishly possess.

No, that's not a fact. That's an emotional argument and a rhetorical device. You need to spend more time reading up on science and less time being brainwashed in your southern church...

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:

Quote:Here's a fact.

By supporting abortion, you support killing an child and denying that child the RIGHT to a life that you so selfishly possess.

No, that's not a fact. That's an emotional argument and a rhetorical device. You need to spend more time reading up on science and less time being brainwashed in your southern church...

God, you have to be the most pathetic, ignorant, self absorbed a-hole I have ever met.

It DOESN'T mean you support killing a child?

Please, Papa, fill me in. Tell me what REALLY happens when an abortion takes place. Tell me what they REALLY do, that prevents them from having to KILL a child's life.

I'd love to hear this, Mr. Scientific.

And then we have the "brainwashing" in the Church phrase- priceless!!! Just because we have a faith in something means that we're just ignorant idiots running around!!

You need to buy a clue and stop talking out of your @$$.

If you can dispute that an abortion is the killing of a child's life, then I'd LOVE to hear it.

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:Because, like most anti-choicers, they lie and distort so they can impose their religious beliefs on everyone...

you know i read all the associated articles and i read the costco womans story, it made me want to vomit. im tired of secularist liars like yourself trying to justify the murder of innocent unborn human beings. the fact that this womans reasoning for murdering 2 of her triplets was coz it would ruin her lifestyle. 1 child is going to change your lifestyle, if you dont want children to alter your life, then get your
sexual organs disabled, pure and simple then you wont have to worry about it. as i have said before abortion isnot a suitable form of birth control. my wife and i have 2 kids we want to have one more, after which my wife will have her tubes tied to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. this is called having responsibility, something pro-choicers know nothing about

There, Papa, that's what YOU support. That's what you LIE about and say that it's not killing. That's what you claim is RIGHT for America.

That's a partial birth abortion. And yes, they pull it out and cut it's head to kill it.

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:You need to spend more time reading up on science and less time being brainwashed in your southern church...

pathetic, you have been brainwashed in you public funded science classes, at least the church (southern or northern) has tought some of us morality, which is something public education lacks

I wouldn't exactly call myself religious, but I do believe in God. I do consider myself a Christian. With that said, what in the HELL does religion have to do with murdering children? If preventing children from being slaughtered is "forcing" a religion on someone, then the religion being forced is the value of life. If you associate that with religion, then you are lacking in the morals department.

Abortion Statistics - World - U.S. - Demographics - Reasons

Abortion Statistics - World

* In 54 countries (61% of the world population) abortions are legal.
* In 97 countries (39% of the world population) abortions are illegal.
* There are approximately 46 million abortions conducted eacy year, 20 million of them obtained illegally.
* There are approximately 126,000 abortions conducted each day.

Abortion Statistics - U.S.

* Approximately 1,370,000 abortions occur annually in the U.S. according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute. <a href='http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats_2.htm' target='_blank'>Click here</a> to see the approximate number of abortions in the U.S. per year from 1973-1996. In 2001, 1.31 million abortions took place.
* 88% of abortions occur during the first 6 to 12 weeks of pregnancy.
* 60% of abortions are performed on women who already have one or more children.
* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have already had one or more abortions.
* 43% of women will have had at least one abortion by the time they are 45 years old.

Abortion Statistics - Demographics

* Age - The majority of women getting an abortion are young. 52% are younger than 25 years old and 19% are teenagers. The abortion rate is highest for those women aged 18 to 19 (56 per 1,000 in 1992.)
* Marriage - 51% of women who are unmarried when they become pregnant will receive an abortion. Unmarried women are 6 times more likely than married women to have an abortion. 67% of abortions are from women who have never been married.
* Race - 63% of abortion patients are white, however, black women are more than 3 times as likely to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are 2.5 times as likely.
* Religion - 43% of women getting an abortion claimed they were Protestant, while 27% claimed they were Catholic.

Abortion Statistics - Decisions to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

* 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing.
* 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby.
* 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child.
* 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy.)
* 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career.
* 7.9% of women want no (more) children.
* 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health.
* 2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health.

Abortion Statistics - Using Contraception (U.S.)

* 54% of women having an abortion said they used some form of contraception during the month they became pregnant.
* 90% of women who are at risk for unplanned pregnancies are using contraception
* 8% of women having an abortion say they have never used contraception.
* It is possible that up to 43% of the decline in abortion from 1994-2000 can be attributed to using emergency contraception.

Abortion Statistics - Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice

* According to a USA Today, CNN Gallup Poll in May, 1999 - 16% of Americans believe abortion should be legal for any reason at any time during pregnancy and 55% of American believe abortion should be legal only to save the life of the mother or in cases of rape or incest.
* According to a Gallup Poll in January, 2001 - People who considered themselves to be pro-life rose from 33% to 43% in the past 5 years, and people who considered themselves to be pro-choice declined from 56% to 48%.

The majority of these statistics were taken from The Alan Guttmacher Institute.

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Approximate number of abortions in the U.S. per year (based on assumptions by the Alan Guttmacher Institute).

1996 - 1,365,700
1995 - 1,363,700
1994 - 1,431,000
1993 - 1,500,000
1992 - 1,528,900
1991 - 1,556,500
1990 - 1,608,600
1989 - 1,566,900
1988 - 1,590,800
1987 - 1,559,100
1986 - 1,574,000
1985 - 1,588,600
1984 - 1,577,200
1983 - 1,575,000
1982 - 1,573,900
1981 - 1,577,300
1980 - 1,553,900
1979 - 1,497,700
1978 - 1,409,600
1977 - 1,316,700
1976 - 1,179,300
1975 - 1,034,200
1974 - 898,600
1973 - 774,600

Papa Lou BSU Wrote:

Quote:Here's a fact.

By supporting abortion, you support killing an child and denying that child the RIGHT to a life that you so selfishly possess.

No, that's not a fact. That's an emotional argument and a rhetorical device. You need to spend more time reading up on science and less time being brainwashed in your southern church...

I just found out all about you I ever needed to know, Papa Lou.

Funny how "tolerance" suddenly flies out the window when it's someone a liberal decides to be prejudiced against, huh?

And whatever science justifies partial BIRTH abortion must fall somewhere between the Nutty Professor and Dr. Doom. The fact that you can coldly talk about murder as "choice" yet scream bloody murder about panties on someone's head at Abu Ghraib shows how twisted the liberal mind is.

Human rights, indeed.

Apropos of the woman who chose to abort two of three children, if this story is true, it puts me in mind of Sophie's Choice, except for the fact that the woman who elected to kill two of the children seemed not to care in the least which she chose to die. It freezes my blood to think that a person could do such a thing. How could she possibly love the one she spared? What indeed would her "love" mean? How could she ever explain to the survivor that she needed to kill that child's siblings? Or will she? How perverse are we to consider that woman to be anything but a monster?

Legalized abortion in this country is as great an evil, as profound an evil, as genocide on the industrial scale. What makes it worse, were that possible, is that there are a number of effective birth control measures available, and no shame in using them. Even if a woman becomes pregnant with a child she does not want, there are thousands who would gladly take her child. There is simply no good argument to be made for abortion.

The pro-abort crowd goes to every extent to de-humanize embryos and fetuses, yet the plain and unrefuted fact remains that they are each unique beings who will, absent some misfortune, be born and live human lives. There is no discontinuity between conception and death, only the process of development, and I despise and fear those who would attempt to ignore this truth by focusing on such asides as "viability" (what does that mean now in the era of partial birth abortion?) and "a woman's right to choose". Of course a woman has the right to choose whether to become pregnant, and indeed many means are available to prevent it. But killing a being in utero crosses the line between the right to choose and murder.

ccs178 Wrote:Abortion Statistics - World - U.S. - Demographics - Reasons

Abortion Statistics - World

* In 54 countries (61% of the world population) abortions are legal.
* In 97 countries (39% of the world population) abortions are illegal.
* There are approximately 46 million abortions conducted eacy year, 20 million of them obtained illegally.
* There are approximately 126,000 abortions conducted each day.

Abortion Statistics - U.S.

* Approximately 1,370,000 abortions occur annually in the U.S. according to the Alan Guttmacher Institute. <a href='http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats_2.htm' target='_blank'>Click here</a> to see the approximate number of abortions in the U.S. per year from 1973-1996. In 2001, 1.31 million abortions took place.
* 88% of abortions occur during the first 6 to 12 weeks of pregnancy.
* 60% of abortions are performed on women who already have one or more children.
* 47% of abortions are performed on women who have already had one or more abortions.
* 43% of women will have had at least one abortion by the time they are 45 years old.

Abortion Statistics - Demographics

* Age - The majority of women getting an abortion are young. 52% are younger than 25 years old and 19% are teenagers. The abortion rate is highest for those women aged 18 to 19 (56 per 1,000 in 1992.)
* Marriage - 51% of women who are unmarried when they become pregnant will receive an abortion. Unmarried women are 6 times more likely than married women to have an abortion. 67% of abortions are from women who have never been married.
* Race - 63% of abortion patients are white, however, black women are more than 3 times as likely to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are 2.5 times as likely.
* Religion - 43% of women getting an abortion claimed they were Protestant, while 27% claimed they were Catholic.

Abortion Statistics - Decisions to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

* 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing.
* 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby.
* 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child.
* 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy.)
* 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career.
* 7.9% of women want no (more) children.
* 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health.
* 2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health.

Abortion Statistics - Using Contraception (U.S.)

* 54% of women having an abortion said they used some form of contraception during the month they became pregnant.
* 90% of women who are at risk for unplanned pregnancies are using contraception
* 8% of women having an abortion say they have never used contraception.
* It is possible that up to 43% of the decline in abortion from 1994-2000 can be attributed to using emergency contraception.

Abortion Statistics - Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice

* According to a USA Today, CNN Gallup Poll in May, 1999 - 16% of Americans believe abortion should be legal for any reason at any time during pregnancy and 55% of American believe abortion should be legal only to save the life of the mother or in cases of rape or incest.
* According to a Gallup Poll in January, 2001 - People who considered themselves to be pro-life rose from 33% to 43% in the past 5 years, and people who considered themselves to be pro-choice declined from 56% to 48%.

The majority of these statistics were taken from The Alan Guttmacher Institute.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Approximate number of abortions in the U.S. per year (based on assumptions by the Alan Guttmacher Institute).

1996 - 1,365,700
1995 - 1,363,700
1994 - 1,431,000
1993 - 1,500,000
1992 - 1,528,900
1991 - 1,556,500
1990 - 1,608,600
1989 - 1,566,900
1988 - 1,590,800
1987 - 1,559,100
1986 - 1,574,000
1985 - 1,588,600
1984 - 1,577,200
1983 - 1,575,000
1982 - 1,573,900
1981 - 1,577,300
1980 - 1,553,900
1979 - 1,497,700
1978 - 1,409,600
1977 - 1,316,700
1976 - 1,179,300
1975 - 1,034,200
1974 - 898,600
1973 - 774,600

Didn't read it all, but a ton of facts (I'm assuming from a fairly trustworthy site) is always a breathe of fresh air. :wave:

T-Monay820 Wrote:

ccs178 Wrote:Abortion Statistics - World - U.S. - Demographics - Reasons

Abortion Statistics - World

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Abortion Statistics - U.S.

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Didn't read it all, but a ton of facts (I'm assuming from a fairly trustworthy site) is always a breathe of fresh air. :wave:

I pulled them from here:

<a href='http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm' target='_blank'>http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortions...ortionstats.htm</a>

They seem rather neutral to me. Ultimately, I don't really know.

I have to admit that I posted the stats to try keeping the argument going. It was getting pretty funny with all the people spitting fire. :angel: