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I'm curious SF, I'm curious how you reconcile your embrace of this guy's story when he wasn't on the boat with Kerry. You are the one who said that the Swift Boat vets who are attacking Kerry now aren't credible because, in your words,

Quote:As for these other guys taking a hatchet to Kerry's reputation?

Some apparently knew him in 'Nam. But it is a stretch to say they served "with" him. Yeah, they were there at the same time. But they weren't with him like Kerry's Band of Brothers.

So just so we're clear, a guy who defends Kerry who was on a different boat beside him is believable and should be taken at his word, but other men, who were on different boats beside Kerry and were also there, cannot be, because they weren't on his boat.

Keep the hypocricy flowing SF, it makes for great entertainment.:laugh:
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Ninerfan1 Wrote:I'm curious SF, I'm curious how you reconcile your embrace of this guy's story when he wasn't on the boat with Kerry.&nbsp; You are the one who said that the Swift Boat vets who are attacking Kerry now aren't credible because, in your words,

Quote:As for these other guys taking a hatchet to Kerry's reputation?

Some apparently knew him in 'Nam. But it is a stretch to say they served "with" him. Yeah, they were there at the same time. But they weren't with him like Kerry's Band of Brothers.
At the time I posted that, my understanding of any of these men's relationship with Kerry was pretty slim. I believe I posted those words the day before the ad hit the air. (It was right around that time).

While the right-wing media had (apparently, judging from the posts here) been beating the drum about Kerry's medals for a while, it wasn't a "debate" I was familiar with.

About all I knew at the time was that these men had not served on Kerry's boat. I don't think I realized they had served on other boats engaged in the same missions. When I said "there at the same time," I believe I meant "in Nam at the same time."
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Quote:While the right-wing media had (apparently, judging from the posts here) been beating the drum about Kerry's medals for a while, it wasn't a "debate" I was familiar with.

Right wing media? Seeing as ABC, CBS and NBC have avoided this topic like the plague I find that distinction a little funny.

I can accept your explaination though.

My apologies for saying you were engaging in hypocricy in this thread.
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Let's get this straight, if one LIBERAL newspaper editor prints his own account of events, it must be true?

The Swiftboat unit was a group of just over 250 soldiers. Of the surviving team from the Vietnam War about one dozen are standing with John Scary, almost 200 stand with the group Swiftboat Veterans for the Truth. The spokesman for this group has on more than one occasion had the whole group together and offered the press the opportunity to talk with any/all of them. Not one media organization has taken the offer.
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THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Let's get this straight, if one LIBERAL newspaper editor prints his own account of events, it must be true?&nbsp;
I knew that was coming.

I don't think the Chicago Tribune has ever endorsed a Democrat for president.

But rage on against the "liberal" media if it makes you happy.

Quote:The Swiftboat unit was a group of just over 250 soldiers. Of the surviving team from the Vietnam War about one dozen are standing with John Scary, almost 200 stand with the group Swiftboat Veterans for the Truth. 

I'm pretty sure you've got a bunch of things all mixed up here.

Quote:The spokesman for this group has on more than one occasion had the whole group together and offered the press the opportunity to talk with any/all of them.  Not one media organization has taken the offer.

It looks to me like dozens -- if not hundreds -- of reporters would like to talk to George Elliott right now. They'd love to ask him why:

-- He praised Kerry's performance while they were both in Nam.
-- He praised the actions that earned Kerry a Silver Star as recently as 1996.
-- He attacked Kerry in the Swift Boat ad.
-- Turned around and told the Boston Globe that he regretted attacking Kerry in the Swift Boat ad.
-- Turned around again and issued another affidiavit taking back what he told the Globe.

But he ain't talking.

Can't blame him. Bill Clinton couldn't even talk himself through all of that.
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