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Think about our balloning deficits. Could this have ever happened if we had a democrat as a president? Think about Clinton's welfare reforms. This would never have happened under a Republican president. Democrats would have never supported the legislation under a Republican. A government under one party rule is toxic. We need checks and balances in our system. IMHO there is no way this nation can AFFORD another 4 years of W with a Republican congress..


Another question I have is if people think there is a growing rift between the neocons of the party versus your traditional conservative. Tiime magazine labeled the group paleocons. The influences of globalization (low wage immigration, multilingualism, and outsourcing) This is good for corporations which owns the congressional right but really isn't in the best interest of the majority of Americans.

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08-30-2004 06:56 PM
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Yeah, here's a thought....welfare reform was a Republican Congressional agenda that Clinton vetoed 3 times before employing a poll that showed Americans wanted it...he then passed it. Research is a good thing Dogger. You should try it.


....and while you are trying to make new definitions of Republicans, you might want to research where your party is heading and why we have Democrats speaking at the GOP convention. Hint: Has something to do with Socialism.

John F. Kennedy would have NEVER subjected the United States to the approval of the effin UN for protection.
08-30-2004 11:27 PM
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Dogger Wrote:Think about our balloning deficits. Could this have ever happened if we had a democrat as a president? Think about Clinton's welfare reforms. This would never have happened under a Republican president. Democrats would have never supported the legislation under a Republican. A government under one party rule is toxic. We need checks and balances in our system. IMHO there is no way this nation can AFFORD another 4 years of W with a Republican congress..


Another question I have is if people think there is a growing rift between the neocons of the party versus your traditional conservative. Tiime magazine labeled the group paleocons. The influences of globalization (low wage immigration, multilingualism, and outsourcing) This is good for corporations which owns the congressional right but really isn't in the best interest of the majority of Americans.

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Here's the solution: Get your party out of the dumpster and kick the extreme liberals to the curb.

Bush didn't appoint all of those Senators and Congressmen, they were ELECTED. People want Republican leadership.

Don't like it? Then maybe the democratic party should look at itself, and realize why people are shying away from them in droves.
08-30-2004 11:33 PM
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Dogger Wrote:Think about our balloning deficits.  Could this have ever happened if we had a democrat as a president?  Think about Clinton's welfare reforms.  This would never have happened under a Republican president.  Democrats would have never supported the legislation under a Republican.  A government under one party rule is toxic.  We need checks and balances in our system.  IMHO there is no way this nation can AFFORD another 4 years of W with a Republican congress.. 


       Another question I have is if people think there is a growing rift between the neocons of the party versus your traditional conservative.  Tiime magazine labeled the group paleocons.  The influences of globalization (low wage immigration, multilingualism, and outsourcing)  This is good for corporations which owns the congressional right but really isn't in the best interest of the majority of Americans.

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Maybe if Kerry knew what the main point in his campaign was (other then Vietnam), and would not flip-flop on issues to please the majority, he would have a huge lead right now.

Kerry voted for the war.
Kerry voted against the support package to fund our troops
Kerry said he's an anti-war canidate
Kerry said he would have gone to war with Iraq, even if they didn't have WMD's.

If you want to live in a country run like that, I suggest you move to Canada.
08-31-2004 12:22 AM
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Knight Time,

I do believe the extreme left does taint my party, and I have wondered from time to time to switch parties, but there is no other party that does as good of job protecting the environment and looking out for the common man. I can't stand the tax cuts that are causing these deficits that are slanted towards the rich. You know it and I know it. Why were 80% of the tax breaks given to the extremely rich. The rich can not spur the economy like the middle class. I would have rather seen the tax cuts be given on payroll taxes. Then you would have seen a jump in our economy.

Reb, the POINT was that welfare reform couldn't have passed under a Republican.


Are they any Republican's that would like to protect our environment? One of the first things W did was to give coal burning power plants another 20 year extension on upgrades that were promised in the 90's. You have Enron in energy policy meetings. You saw how they deregulated energy and then manipulated the markets to stiff California. Plain and simple Republican's are bad for the majority of Americans.
08-31-2004 05:50 PM
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Dogger Wrote:Knight Time,

I do believe the extreme left does taint my party, and I have wondered from time to time to switch parties, but there is no other party that does as good of job protecting the environment and looking out for the common man. I can't stand the tax cuts that are causing these deficits that are slanted towards the rich. You know it and I know it. Why were 80% of the tax breaks given to the extremely rich. The rich can not spur the economy like the middle class. I would have rather seen the tax cuts be given on payroll taxes. Then you would have seen a jump in our economy.

Reb, the POINT was that welfare reform couldn't have passed under a Republican.


Are they any Republican's that would like to protect our environment? One of the first things W did was to give coal burning power plants another 20 year extension on upgrades that were promised in the 90's. You have Enron in energy policy meetings. You saw how they deregulated energy and then manipulated the markets to stiff California. Plain and simple Republican's are bad for the majority of Americans.
Couldn't have passed under a Republican you say? Well, what does that tell you? The Democratic congressmen/women are obstructionists that refuse to compromise.
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Reb,

Your missing my point. Under the guise of party unity W was able to push through the prescription drug fiasco. He even lied about the total cost of the package, just to get enough Republican votes to pass it. A Democrat could never have gotten that passed through a Republican majority. Likewise you could never have gotten enough Democrats to support a Republican welfare reform initiative.

Which also makes me wonder why the right hated Clinton so much? He really was a moderate in many areas.
09-01-2004 07:12 PM
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Dogger Wrote:Reb,

Your missing my point. Under the guise of party unity W was able to push through the prescription drug fiasco. He even lied about the total cost of the package, just to get enough Republican votes to pass it. A Democrat could never have gotten that passed through a Republican majority. Likewise you could never have gotten enough Democrats to support a Republican welfare reform initiative.

Which also makes me wonder why the right hated Clinton so much? He really was a moderate in many areas.
Sheesh, when it comes to Kerry, I LOVE Clinton. ...just not his wife.
09-01-2004 09:49 PM
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BTW, I never EVER hated Clinton like the Libs HATE Bush. Need a link on that as well? Here you go:

<a href='http://www.democraticunderground.com' target='_blank'>http://www.democraticunderground.com</a>


bunch of nutjobs.
09-01-2004 09:51 PM
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