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documentry on the history of britain. They were explaining how 10,000 years ago the earth warmed up and the ice receeded leaving britain an island cut off from europe. I know, I know, impossible you say without the evil technology of modern man, but that is what they said. Anyway, this caused a reduction in the population of game animals, it also allowed the animals a larger range to forage, thus man had to chase them farther. This caused a change from a hunting society to a farming one. I thought at this point, too bad they didnt have any lawyers so they could sue someone for the destruction of thier culture. NETA ( Neanderthals for the ethical treatment of animals) would have been happy about the change however. :D
01-02-2005 09:51 PM
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Skipuno Wrote:NETA ( Neanderthals for the ethical treatment of animals)
Nice :roflol:
01-02-2005 10:34 PM
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You know, this story is a bit old, and long but I think it's important. While it's supposed to be about leadership, there are some interesting clues here.

<a href='http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/28/rswan.html' target='_blank'>http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/28/rswan.html</a>

Quote:But, proving that even the best-laid plans do indeed go awry, the expedition became a horror story. The temperature rose -- from minus-30 degrees Celsius to minus-5 degrees (from minus-22 degrees Fahrenheit to plus-23 degrees) -- and the ice cap began to melt beneath the explorers' feet. Swan and his team were 700 miles away from land. "It's supposed to melt in August, and this was in April," he says. "Never in recorded Arctic history had the ice cap melted in April. Obviously, that was another sign of environmental change. But at the time, our problem was how to stay alive, because we were beyond rescue of any type."

For 40 hours at a time, the team traveled through constant daylight, often making little headway. Because the ice was so broken up, they could walk for 10 or 15 miles and still have gone north only 100 yards.

So, this guy is telling me that w/ the AIR temperature 5 C degrees below freezing, the ice was melting? Even w/ the freezing point depression of sea water (about 3 C deg, I looked it up in my CRC) it's still below freezing, and that's the high temp of the day.

Meanwhile, the ice is melting below him!

Anyone remember the movie Volcano?

Anne Hecht says: The water temperature has gone up 15 deg since yesterday.

Tommy Lee Jones: Well, it's a sunny day.

Hecht: It takes a geological event to raise the temp of water that much.

SO, what gives here?! I'm not geologist, but if the ice *below* the surface is melting, while the air remains at below freezing temperatures (albeit warmer than average)...doesn't that suggest that something OTHER than environmental change was going on?

Of course people should be concerned, it's just that when you start looking at the facts, things just don't add up to the "global warming" that's being crammed down our throats.

And, I'll add once again, I was at the NASA Earth Science & Tech conference, where one of the office's leaders said that ESTO would do what it takes to make P 3 of the Wash Post, like the Space Sciences office was able to do w/ Hubble pix and more. Basically, she admitted that they'll hype anything, right or wrong, to get publicity.

Ugh.
01-03-2005 11:29 AM
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DrTorch Wrote:  "It's supposed to melt in August, and this was in April," he says. "Never in recorded Arctic history had the ice cap melted in April.
That statment is suppose to make the event sound impressive, unless you think about it. Recorded meteorlogical history of the arctic spans bearly a hundred years. On a four billion year old planet, makes that statment just plain silly. We live on a geologically active world, are we going to blame every single event on global warming? Are people that stupid? :bang:
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Skipuno Wrote:That statment is suppose to make the event sound impressive, unless you think about it. Recorded meteorlogical history of the arctic spans bearly a hundred years. On a four billion year old planet, makes that statment just plain silly. We live on a geologically active world, are we going to blame every single event on global warming? Are people that stupid? :bang:
Yes, just look at the DNC and Hollywood.

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01-03-2005 07:43 PM
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Read something the other day on Ice Ages. There have been like 3 in the history of the world. A period of global warming followed each ice age. No SUV's were around.
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RebelKev Wrote:Read something the other day on Ice Ages. There have been like 3 in the history of the world. A period of global warming followed each ice age. No SUV's were around.
Nope just gigantic lizards that expelled large amounts of methane gas. :tomato:
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moloch_322 Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:Read something the other day on Ice Ages. There have been like 3 in the history of the world. A period of global warming followed each ice age. No SUV's were around.
Nope just gigantic lizards that expelled large amounts of methane gas. :tomato:
You laugh; they do say that cows are one of the largest producers of methane gas in the world. 03-razz
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RebelKev Wrote:
moloch_322 Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:Read something the other day on Ice Ages. There have been like 3 in the history of the world. A period of global warming followed each ice age. No SUV's were around.
Nope just gigantic lizards that expelled large amounts of methane gas. :tomato:
You laugh; they do say that cows are one of the largest producers of methane gas in the world. 03-razz
I know, so maybe the last ice age was created by those flatulent dinosaurs.
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Brontosaurus's or Brachiosaurus's is my guess. :drink:
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RebelKev Wrote:You laugh; they do say that cows are one of the largest producers of methane gas in the world. 03-razz
And vegetarian-environmentalists say we meat eaters don't do anything to help the environment. We eat the cows. :drink: (Ron White)
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RebelKev Wrote:Brontosaurus's or Brachiosaurus's is my guess. :drink:
What you've just suggested is that clearly, it *was* Evil Industrial Western Society's fault. Back in caveman times, brontosauri were used in the mining & construction industries (though to be fair, Fred Flintstone did drive an alternative-fuel car). I blame that rich bastard, Mr. Slate.

Sheesh. Don't you people watch cartoons?

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01-06-2005 01:20 PM
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lauramac Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:Brontosaurus's or Brachiosaurus's is my guess.&nbsp; :drink:
What you've just suggested is that clearly, it *was* Evil Industrial Western Society's fault. Back in caveman times, brontosauri were used in the mining & construction industries (though to be fair, Fred Flintstone did drive an alternative-fuel car). I blame that rich bastard, Mr. Slate.

Sheesh. Don't you people watch cartoons?

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