Just saw Jeanne Garafalo on MSNBC who suggested two things that absolutely disgusted her about the SOTU

paraphrasing...

JG: The inked finger thing was just disgusting. As if these....these REPUBLICAN congressmen sitting there have ANY kind of solidarity with the Iraqi people...Its just disgusting. What its going to provide is a lot of images of right-wingers doing this [Garofalo makes nazi Heil Hitler salute]. And that grieving mother of the soldier embracing that Iraqi woman...please! That soldier wrote his mother saying he was protecting her...from what? The real shame is that the soldier died believing something that was just one of Bush's lies.

I'm serious. She said this stuff. And I know, because I'm a member of the Democratic Party (though a sensible one) and travel in liberal circles, she represents the mainstream thinking of the Democratic party activists...the internet fundraising success of the Dean campaign has shifted this party FAR to the extreme left, and statements like this are just a glimpse as to what is taking over our party.

How can you get more out of touch than these statements? Oh, I know...how about when Bush gave his first applause line about the Iraqis risking their lives to participate in a Democratic election, and the entire Congress rose to applaud, Barbara Boxer thought this would be a fantastic time to talk with the woman behind her. The entire country thinks the Iraqi election was good news for America (because it gives us hope for our troops coming home with victory in hand), but the Democratic party elites think "its nothing to get excited about".

We're not going to win another election until the party is seen as starting to believe in America again. We don't vote cynics into office in this country. I hate that my party has been radicalized. With Hillary Clinton adopting more inclusive rhetoric and picking her battles more wisely on contentious issues, she is quickly becoming the centrist voice in the Democratic party. Who could have seen that coming 4 years ago?

Bush frustrates the hell out of me sometimes. All I want is a loyal opposition to him that is viable and pushes America in a centrist direction. The Democrats aren't doing that. Maybe someone could change that, but it won't happen until we take the party back from the extreme left.

Great post OU. However, it's not going to happen until the leaders of the Democratic party start to realize how far left they have become. Regardless of what people think, I do not WANT to see the Democratic party die. Hell, one of my heroes, Thomas Jefferson, was a Democratic Republican. I do think, however, that the DNC is Socialist these days. BOTH of these damn parties should be working together to fight the extremes that mask themselves IN their party.....Fascists and Socialists.

.....but my party takes the best aspects from both. :D ...but they are pusses when it comes to national defense.

....and Hillary's BS is a scam. Please don't fall for it. I would support Lieberman in a heartbeat, but Hillary tried to nationalize 1/7th of the US Economy, ala Socialism. My best friend is from Kitchner-Waterloo, ON. He emailed me today about a special election in Canada today. His words: "That's what somebody was saying. They are raising medical taxes, giving less medical care, and worried about spending tax money to change a flower." I was talking about the flower. They are trying to change the provincial flower and I stated, "Aren't there more important issues at hand?"

OUGwave Wrote:Just saw Jeanne Garafalo on MSNBC who suggested two things that absolutely disgusted her about the SOTU

paraphrasing...

JG: The inked finger thing was just disgusting. As if these....these REPUBLICAN congressmen sitting there have ANY kind of solidarity with the Iraqi people...Its just disgusting. What its going to provide is a lot of images of right-wingers doing this [Garofalo makes nazi Heil Hitler salute]. And that grieving mother of the soldier embracing that Iraqi woman...please! That soldier wrote his mother saying he was protecting her...from what? The real shame is that the soldier died believing something that was just one of Bush's lies.

JG is a comedianne. She's frickin "Bozo the Clown", and that's not meant to be a metaphor.

Why would anyone go to her expecting serious, insightful, intelligent commentary? Answer: they don't really. She's good for laughs.

Quote:How can you get more out of touch than these statements? Oh, I know...how about when Bush gave his first applause line about the Iraqis risking their lives to participate in a Democratic election, and the entire Congress rose to applaud, Barbara Boxer thought this would be a fantastic time to talk with the woman behind her. The entire country thinks the Iraqi election was good news for America (because it gives us hope for our troops coming home with victory in hand), but the Democratic party elites think "its nothing to get excited about".

We're not going to win another election until the party is seen as starting to believe in America again. We don't vote cynics into office in this country.

Very true. You may get ratings on a sit-com or some movie-goers w/ cynicism, but deep down, people want principled leadership, w/ hope and conviction.

Quote:I hate that my party has been radicalized. With Hillary Clinton adopting more inclusive rhetoric and picking her battles more wisely on contentious issues, she is quickly becoming the centrist voice in the Democratic party.

She does seem to be getting the knack of things. I won't judge her sincerity. People change, maybe she really does believe what she's saying.
However, I think she's getting too old to run. I don't think her health will hold up for a long campaign, let alone a presidency. Maybe that sounds discriminatory, but people expect a reasonably healthy president. I understand that there have been good presidents who have been ill, but I don't think America will purposely vote for one.

Quote:Bush frustrates the hell out of me sometimes. All I want is a loyal opposition to him that is viable and pushes America in a centrist direction. The Democrats aren't doing that. Maybe someone could change that, but it won't happen until we take the party back from the extreme left.

I think many of us are in agreement with you there, but we tend to come from the right. TPTB respond by telling us we're full of hot air. The Dems have a long road in front of them.

DrTorch Wrote:JG is a comedianne. She's frickin "Bozo the Clown", and that's not meant to be a metaphor.

Why would anyone go to her expecting serious, insightful, intelligent commentary? Answer: they don't really. She's good for laughs.

However, she has a regular radio show on Air America Radio. She is the left's version of Rush or Hannity. So she should expect criticism when she offers political commentary. The left doesn't cut Rush or Hannity a break and say they are just radio entertainers.

DrTorch Wrote:JG is a comedianne. She's frickin "Bozo the Clown", and that's not meant to be a metaphor.

Why would anyone go to her expecting serious, insightful, intelligent commentary? Answer: they don't really. She's good for laughs.

Careful with those kinds of statements. SF is a huge fan of hers. It would only have been heightend if should could have found a black conservative to call a house ni***r.

The real shame is Garafalo thinks she has a clue about anything, she is simply a 'has been' comedian who is about as qualified on US policy and military operations as my dog. She is the one who we should feel sorry for, she actually believes she's righteous by joining the Hollywood status quo and jumping on the 'war is never the answer' wagon. Her and others who share her dillusion exploit the soldiers and Iraqis at a level nobody else can match.Perhaps she should get a haircut, a new pair of glasses, shave her armpits and sharpen up her comedy routine, then perhaps she could spread some laughter and joy, instead of hatred, dissent and mistruths.

OUGwave Wrote:JG: The inked finger thing was just disgusting. As if these....these REPUBLICAN congressmen sitting there have ANY kind of solidarity with the Iraqi people...Its just disgusting. What its going to provide is a lot of images of right-wingers doing this [Garofalo makes nazi Heil Hitler salute]. And that grieving mother of the soldier embracing that Iraqi woman...please! That soldier wrote his mother saying he was protecting her...from what? The real shame is that the soldier died believing something that was just one of Bush's lies.

During his first term, I've disapproved of several things that Bush has done. This includes the war in Iraq.

But at the very point liberals reference "Nazis" and/or "Hitler" when speaking about Bush, Republicans, or conservatives is when I completely tune them out. I barely read on beyond that as they've basically lost all credibility.

I just want to bump this up. Guys, I post things such as some idiot-***, far-left wing professor in Colorado, of which many Democrats would not condone, but Garafalo, regardless of what you think, IS the current mainstream of the Democratic party. This is appalling, and it should be to you too. What say you?

OUGwave Wrote:Bush frustrates the hell out of me sometimes. All I want is a loyal opposition to him that is viable and pushes America in a centrist direction. The Democrats aren't doing that. Maybe someone could change that, but it won't happen until we take the party back from the extreme left.

Yet another reason this country needs to dump this conception of a two party system as the only thing that exists.

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