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Best of luck to him. It's going to be a long road back. Who knows if he'll ever be the same?

Ruh roh. This is his 2nd Tommy John surgery. It's tough to gauge how guys will come back from the 2nd surgery. My guess is he's gone until the middle of '06 or maybe even '07.

how tragic. bye gagne :wave:

Maybe not so long.

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GDawgs88 Wrote:Maybe not so long.

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too bad.

Too bad for the rest of baseball, great for Gagne.

GDawgs88 Wrote:Too bad for the rest of baseball, great for Gagne.

no, i mean too bad he's not going to be injured for a longer period of time. i was hoping he would never pitch again.

I know what you meant. It's too bad we're going to have to face him next year. Oh well, we only have to face him six times a year, you have to face him twenty times a year.

GDawgs88 Wrote:I know what you meant. It's too bad we're going to have to face him next year. Oh well, we only have to face him six times a year, you have to face him twenty times a year.

i'm not worried about facing him. we can beat him. it's just that i hate him, cause he's a dodger.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

GDawgs88 Wrote:Too bad for the rest of baseball, great for Gagne.

no, i mean too bad he's not going to be injured for a longer period of time. i was hoping he would never pitch again.

Wow. You ripped us for (A) hoping the steroid controversy would end Barry Bonds career and (B) no longer liking Tom Glavine because he signed with another team. Now you're hoping a severe injury ends a player's career.

JoltinJacket Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

GDawgs88 Wrote:Too bad for the rest of baseball, great for Gagne.

no, i mean too bad he's not going to be injured for a longer period of time. i was hoping he would never pitch again.

Wow. You ripped us for (A) hoping the steroid controversy would end Barry Bonds career and (B) no longer liking Tom Glavine because he signed with another team. Now you're hoping a severe injury ends a player's career.

he's a dodger. do you get it. you braves fans don't understand rivalries, cause you have none. it's the job of a giants fan to deeply hate all dodgers. this rivalry is the best in baseball. you can't understand these feelings if you don't have a true rival.

Seriously, how can you be happy when a guy's career is ruined by injury? I wouldn't be happy if say, Pedro Martinez could never pitch again.

flyingswoosh Wrote:he's a dodger. do you get it. you braves fans don't understand rivalries, cause you have none. it's the job of a giants fan to deeply hate all dodgers. this rivalry is the best in baseball. you can't understand these feelings if you don't have a true rival.

This has nothing to do with rivalries. We understand that you hate the Dodgers. But to be happy when a guy has his career possibly ruined is a little severe. The guy's a human being first and a ball player second.

GDawgs88 Wrote:Seriously, how can you be happy when a guy's career is ruined by injury? I wouldn't be happy if say, Pedro Martinez could never pitch again.

what does he have to do w/anything? the mets are not a natural rival of the braves.

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:he's a dodger.&nbsp; do you get it.&nbsp; you braves fans don't understand rivalries, cause you have none.&nbsp; it's the job of a giants fan to deeply hate all dodgers.&nbsp; this rivalry is the best in baseball.&nbsp; you can't understand these feelings if you don't have a true rival.

This has nothing to do with rivalries. We understand that you hate the Dodgers. But to be happy when a guy has his career possibly ruined is a little severe. The guy's a human being first and a ball player second.

no. he's a dodger first, and nothing else. if the dodger plane went down, and would not feel the least bit of remorse or sadness.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

GDawgs88 Wrote:Seriously, how can you be happy when a guy's career is ruined by injury? I wouldn't be happy if say, Pedro Martinez could never pitch again.

what does he have to do w/anything? the mets are not a natural rival of the braves.

They are in the Braves division, so I hate them as much as you hate the Dodgers.

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

GDawgs88 Wrote:Seriously, how can you be happy when a guy's career is ruined by injury? I wouldn't be happy if say, Pedro Martinez could never pitch again.

what does he have to do w/anything? the mets are not a natural rival of the braves.

They are in the Braves division, so I hate them as much as you hate the Dodgers.

believe me when i say that you don't. it means nothing to say that they are in the same division. if you want pedro to tear his rotator cuff, then you hate the mets as much as i hate the dodgers. until then, it's obvious that you don't.

flyingswoosh Wrote:no. he's a dodger first, and nothing else. if the dodger plane went down, and would not feel the least bit of remorse or sadness.

Now, that's way over the top.

You would not be sad if 25 young men died all at once? I hope you just did not say that.

flyingswoosh Wrote:believe me when i say that you don't. it means nothing to say that they are in the same division. if you want pedro to tear his rotator cuff, then you hate the mets as much as i hate the dodgers. until then, it's obvious that you don't.

Or maybe I just don't take pleasure in other people's misery.

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:no.&nbsp; he's a dodger first, and nothing else.&nbsp; if the dodger plane went down, and would not feel the least bit of remorse or sadness.

Now, that's way over the top.

You would not be sad if 25 young men died all at once? I hope you just did not say that.

i did just say that. they're the enemy. i despise the dodgers, with every bone in my body.