What is it with this obsession so many professed non-Duke people have with Duke? They know more about Duke's coach than their own. They know more Duke statistics than they do of their own team. They read the Duke newspapers and websites but don't know what's happening on their team's campus.
The only thing I can equate it to that I can remember from my psychology classes is a term called PENI$ ENVY.
Can anyone think of a better term for it?


:D doh

(by the way, another more obscure psychological phrase that will come into play here is......"the bit dog barks" :laugh: )

Coach Doh Wrote:What is it with this obsession so many professed non-Duke people have with Duke? They know more about Duke's coach than their own. They know more Duke statistics than they do of their own team. They read the Duke newspapers and websites but don't know what's happening on their team's campus.
The only thing I can equate it to that I can remember from my psychology classes is a term called PENI$ ENVY.
Can anyone think of a better term for it?


:D doh

(by the way, another more obscure psychological phrase that will come into play here is......"the bit dog barks" :laugh: )

***** envy...yeah that's it! Or maybe it's the disgust the rest of the conference has with a program that professes to be better than all others. A program that professes that their players are model citizens. A program that claims their fans are the best in the country. A program that essentially is blind to the truth hidden by arrogance and attitude.

Is your basketball team successful? Absolutely! Do you have a great Coach? Definitely! Is the Duke program one of the elite in the country? You bet! What we get so tired of is blatant discrimination and discredit to other deserving teams. Stanford and St. Joes are undefeated and yet the focus has been all year Duke. JJ this and Duhon that and Coach K this and Crazies that. The media has spawned the hatred as much as anything. If the focus were more evenly distributed to the other deserving teams, Duke would not be the most hated college program in the country. Problem is, Duke needs, wants and now expects special treatment and so do people like you!

Well raise hell at the media then................Duke doesn't have a School of Journalism that I know of.

doh

Coach Doh Wrote:Well raise hell at the media then................Duke doesn't have a School of Journalism that I know of.

doh

I think it's fairly obvious that I did and have stated many times that the media is a Duke who re. Why on earth are there fans all over the country who root for Duke? Same reason there are so many non Ney York residents that like the Yankees. The arrogance gained from the fans (like yourself from what I see from your post) is what inspires such hatred...not the actual team. The point is Duke is a very good basketball team...but so are many others. Duke uses the media to maintain the strongest recruiting in the country. Given all the advantages that are thrown Dukes way, the real story lies in those years they don't do that well (Mid 90's). Of course they should be successful, they have everything handed to them. What stands out in my mind is when players like Big 10 freshman of the year Humphries opt out of the ego driven program of supremacy only to succeed somewhere else. I'd love to see how Duke stood up against even recruiting. My guess is, they wouldn't.

ps. don't go throwing out any horse-sh*t about how Duke only accepts smart-academic student atheletes. The average SAT score of your current squad is about 940. The average SAT score of a Duke Student is in the 1300's.

You take what's handed to you and make the best of it.

Do you think Duke is gonna turn down a blue chipper because they have an unfair media advantage?
Do you think UCLA ever did that?

Would Gary Williams?

Get it while you can. The sun don't shine on the same dog's a$$ all the time.

Duke is a private school, they can accept anyone they want to. The AVERAGE student score in the 1300's means that they have many non-athlete students whose SAT's are also in the 900's.

doh

Coach Doh Wrote:You take what's handed to you and make the best of it.

Do you think Duke is gonna turn down a blue chipper because they have an unfair media advantage?
Do you think UCLA ever did that?

Would Gary Williams?

Get it while you can. The sun don't shine on the same dog's a$$ all the time.

Duke is a private school, they can accept anyone they want to. The AVERAGE student score in the 1300's means that they have many non-athlete students whose SAT's are also in the 900's.

doh

Um...bull-sh*t. No Duke student has ever gotten in with a SAT score of 900. If this has ever happened, I am positive that the circumstances must have been very special (ie: mommy and daddy have lot's of money and power). Please don't sell me that. I got my Masters at a school with high standards just like Duke (G'Town) and assure you no students had anywhere near a 1000 score on their SAT let alone 900.

As for the Blue-chipper arguement, I don't disagree with you. Certainly Gary took his National Title and aquired 2 McD's AA's and 3 other top 100 players. The point I was trying to make is that the perspective of people that are making accustations like yourself don't understand what it's like to have to work hard for success in the ACC (or at least you have forgotten in the past 15 years). So when you presume to know why others hate Duke, you miss the truth completely. They don't hate Duke because they are an outstanding team with an outstanding coach, they hate Duke because of spoiled people like you that use their team's success to elevate their own arrogance and thus proposing to know everything. Maybe you will understand one day when Duke isn't so gifted and the playing fields are a little more even. UMD beat the hell out of Duke with a bunch of no-names, no-McD'd AA's players that worked their a$$es off. The fact that Duke wins is expected with everything they just get. So until your team and your coach actually have to work at creating a good team I would suggest you get off your horse and respect what others have done with far less.

That's about it.

Apparently you weren't around in Carolina's heyday. That's when the word "arrogance" was created.

I was pulling for Duke when they hired Coach K. I've seen the bottom of the pile.

Been there, done that.

From the Duke FAQ page:

Can you tell me the SAT or ACT range/requirement?

Although we do require that students take the SAT1 and three SAT2s OR the ACT, we do not have minimum requirements for either test. Our middle 50% of students who gain admission to Duke is usually 1350-1510 for the SAT and 29-33 for the ACT. This means that 25% of our admitted students score higher than the upper value of the range and 25% score below the lower value of the range. Students selecting the SAT option must complete both the SAT1 and three SAT2s. We require the Writing SAT2 as well as two additional of the student's choosing for any student applying to the Trinity College of Arts and Sciences. We require the Writing SAT2 and a mathematics SAT2 (the 2C test if possible) and an additional test of their choosing for the Pratt School of Engineering. Read more at <a href='http://www.duke.edu/web/ug-admissions/apply.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.duke.edu/web/ug-admissions/apply.htm</a>.


<a href='http://www.admissions.duke.edu/jump/faqs.asp' target='_blank'>Duke FAQ</a>

They gotta cover themselves somehow.

They make special exceptions for minorities, international students, student athletes and special needs applicants just like any other school.


doh

Coach Doh Wrote:Apparently you weren't around in Carolina's heyday. That's when the word "arrogance" was created.

I was pulling for Duke when they hired Coach K. I've seen the bottom of the pile.

Been there, done that.

From the Duke FAQ page:

Can you tell me the SAT or ACT range/requirement?

Although we do require that students take the SAT1 and three SAT2s OR the ACT, we do not have minimum requirements for either test. Our middle 50% of students who gain admission to Duke is usually 1350-1510 for the SAT and 29-33 for the ACT. This means that 25% of our admitted students score higher than the upper value of the range and 25% score below the lower value of the range. Students selecting the SAT option must complete both the SAT1 and three SAT2s. We require the Writing SAT2 as well as two additional of the student's choosing for any student applying to the Trinity College of Arts and Sciences. We require the Writing SAT2 and a mathematics SAT2 (the 2C test if possible) and an additional test of their choosing for the Pratt School of Engineering. Read more at <a href='http://www.duke.edu/web/ug-admissions/apply.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.duke.edu/web/ug-admissions/apply.htm</a>.


<a href='http://www.admissions.duke.edu/jump/faqs.asp' target='_blank'>Duke FAQ</a>

They gotta cover themselves somehow.

They make special exceptions for minorities, international students, student athletes and special needs applicants just like any other school.


doh

Well certainly but it clearly says it's requirements. Quota's have to be filled (hence the Michigan case this past year). The bottom line for the average student wanting to attend Duke or Georgetown for that matter would need substantial requirements. What I read from your quote was that the middle 50% of the student body had a 1350 - 1510, 25% had higher (out of 1600) and 25% had lower. So in doing the math, unless Duke accepted kids for writing their names on the SAT's, the average score for the entire student body is indeed 1300. That leaves the average college basketball player at Duke 400 points below the average and more like 600 points below those not deemed "special considerations". I'm not saying that this isn't the norm for NCAA atheletes, but it is not average for a college who claims superior athletic scholars. If anything, Duke is the same as any other school which is exactly the point I was making.

So is it Duke's fault that they are treated differently as some insist ?

doh

Coach Doh Wrote:So is it Duke's fault that they are treated differently as some insist ?

doh

Is it Duke University's fault? No. I clearly said I blame the media as much as anybody. The media perpetuates the fans, the fans perpetuate the arrogance, the arrogance creates the disgust. Meanwhile some very good programs get nothing but second hand acknowledgement while Duke is in every reference of every televised game in the nation. The special treatment/officiating has gotten very old and played out.

Hey, when you have a no look pass like this.............

rickheel Wrote:Hey, when you have a no look pass like this.............

That would have been a good no-look pass if it weren't for the fact that he clearly looked where he was passing it. Looking away after the pass doesn't really fool anyone.