Not that complicated, but should spark some debate

That's like asking which is better - - chocolate or vanilla?

You know where my vote went.

doh

UNC.

We've had the most basketball success. dook's current success does nothing to overthrow what we did before the 1990's. We're near the top of the ACC in total wins in football (surprising to many, I'm sure). We've never been a dominant program in football, but until recently we were always good. And, we always have a good baseball team.

Now, I'm assuming most people are going to weigh those three sports heavily in their analyses. If you only counted those three sports, we would still stack up favorably. But, when you add in every other sport, then I don't think it's a contest. (And, I believe that whether you weigh the highest-profile sports more or treat every sport equally.)

I think we're the only ACC school to have a national championship in women's basketball, but I may be wrong about that. Either way, we've been consistently good in that for as long as its been followed. Only dook with its current success has been as consistent.

We've been a dominant program in lacrosse until very recently (although a final 8 showing this year wasn't too shabby). We have 4 lacrosse national championships. Same goes for field hockey, which is a sport that many other ACC programs would brag about as well. We have 4 national championships in that, too.

All I would really need to say to shore up this discussion is: women's soccer. We've dominated that sport like no other school has ever dominated a sport.

And, our men's soccer team has been consistently good, too (with a recent national title under its belt).

I think that part that amazes me is seeing how many Olympic sports we're competitive at year in and year out. It's rare that you see a UNC team in an Olympic sport at the bottom of the ACC standings. That goes for swimming & diving, men's and women's tennis, men's and women's golf, track & field, gymnastics, etc.

We consistently finish first in the ACC in the Sear's Cup standings. While this isn't and shouldn't be the only factor in determining the success of an athletic program, I think it still says a great deal. We've also done this the past couple of years while our highest-profile sports have uncharacteristically struggled. I think that goes to show just how good the program is across the board.

Now, it's time for everyone to call me a typical arrogant tarhole. :D

-JD

JD Heel Wrote:The Truth

well we got 3 NC in boxing! so there!!!

My nose is running and my eyes are itching, it must be all the mold, mildew and dust that's been stirred up.

:roflol:

doh

Yeah, we're dusting off that women's soccer trophy from -- well, just a few months ago.

-JD

We need some one from each school to research their history for their athletic programs so we can compare. Ultimately people will never be able to agree, but this could be an interesting history lesson in ACC sports. Uh... and Go Duke!

Before the dust settles...........

What really matters is Duke is #1 in the ACC and #3 nationally for graduating Division 1 athletes with an 88% graduation rate.

Compared to UNC who is #7 in the ACC and with a 64% graduation rate...... they are not given a ranking.

But that's not really what we're discussing here, forgive me for drifting.


doh

<a href='http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/champs_listing1.html' target='_blank'>Here's a good starting point.</a>

Number of NCAA team championships:

UNC - 30
Maryland - 16
Virginia - 13
dook - 6
Wake Forest - 6
Miami - 5
Florida State - 4
Clemson - 3
NC State - 2
Boston College - 2

* That doesn't include football championships, since there is no official NCAA champion in football. So, take that into account. It also doesn't include any other unsanctioned titles (I know of at least two that UNC has, for instance).

-JD

Georgia Tech has 5 football titles. Screw the NCAA "not recognizing" football championships, that's a load of bull.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Georgia Tech has 5 football titles. Screw the NCAA "not recognizing" football championships, that's a load of bull.

there is no football champion untill there is one decided on the field of play

bunch of ppl voting on the "champion" just dont count. its not Tech's fault-its the bowl system.

about Duke basketball, we are top five most winning team in Division I-and I believe that not all those wins came in the 90's...

Duke has been to all four major bowls, winning 3 of them. has been ranked as high as 2nd in the nation. had a team go the entire season undefeated, untied and unscored upon.

Duke has NC's in golf, soccor and men basketball. and back to back in boxing and in different classes of boxing-that is 3 that aint counted in the total methinks.

What a lame debate, I guess everyone just realizes how superior UNC is.

:D

Quckly glancing at the athletics sites for some of the ACC schools shows that the state supported schools for the most part offer more different sports than do the private schools. For instance UNC offers 26 men's and women's sports where Wake Forest only offers 16. Duke offers 20 and Clemson 15, NCSU offers 28 and appears to be the only school that offers Rifle as a competition. I'm sure the other ACC schools will vary also.

Boxing was mentioned but seems to be no longer offered at any school. I don't know that any other school ever had boxing teams. I really can't remember boxing ever being an NCAA sanctioned sport. I'm not sure that anyone can claim the ACC's "Best Program Overall" because of the disparity of sporting programs offered now and throughout the conference history.

After all the ACC was formed in 1954 so any titles held previous to that should not be counted.??

UNC may well be the leader in the ACC with trophies but as far as I can see they have offered more different sports longer than anyone else.

More opportunities, more power to them...........

but it's hard to make that comparison with the differences in the school's athletic programs.

doh