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Is it too early to predict the basketball season record???
With the new schedule released, this is how I see it. 18-12 (13-5 ASun). I have us loosing big to UT and Vandy, and just loosing to Auburn and Chatt. I think we will beat who we should in the Asun. I would have liked us sticking with all Div-1 teams, but I imagine scheduling is getting what you can get. Plus the Va Wise/Milligan games maybe just what the doctor ordered at the time they are played. Of course I hope we can steal one from the SEC, but I my gut tells me no.
06-24-2006 01:11 PM
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I like your optimism! I don't think Vandy will blow us out of the gym, and with UT, they don't necessarily have a proven point guard, and I think ETSU has seen what happens when you don't have one. Auburn will be much improved, and they'll hurt us.
I think ETSU is .500 or so going into January, and will finish mid-pack in the A-Sun, and will probably lose in the first round again in the tourney. Until they can prove otherwise with better defense, unselfish guard play, and someone stepping up and being a real leader, that's what we have.
06-24-2006 01:37 PM
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I think we'll beat up on all the little guys - Milligan, Wise, UNC-A - lose to all the mid and big guys - TN, Vandy, Chatt, etc - beat all the terrible teams in the ASun - and lose to the mediocre teams in the ASun (Libscomb, Belmont, GW). Looks like a 500 season. Maybe a little worse.

At the end of the year, I'd guess Sagarin will have us ranked somewhere around 290 (out of 330 or so schools).
06-24-2006 01:44 PM
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I'm going to go on record and say we'll win 20 games next year. I know, I know, this proclamation is widely optimistic, but follow my logic:

Let me first start with our roster and then break down our schedule. This IMO is without question Bartow's best recruiting class. Fundamentally sound, team-oriented and just plain talented players. Just look at who was recruiting them. My biggest concern following last season was the 3-spot--losing Ben's intangibles is huge, but I think we'll improve in that respect through depth. Swader, M.Smith, and M. Williams will complement each other nicely and fill that void. As for PG, Twilley will have an immediate impact and don't be surprised to see him starting from the outset. As for our front court...well, I loved Sneed's bruiser play, but he was far too one-dimensional. I predict Andrew Reed will be one of the better post players this year. So, in the post, we'll have Nuckles, Reed, Thomas, Balocka, Mishler and Balocka. Again, all very skilled and fundamental players.

Okay, now to our schedule. Conference schedule first. I see us going 14-4 in the ASUN. Belmont and Lipscomp will again be tough, though I think this year we will split the series with them. I can also see us splitting with KSU too. As for the rest of the league...Gardner Webb has essentially lost its entire starting lineup, FAU is gone, and I don't see any other team being that strong next year.

As for our non-conference schedule, I think we'll go 6-4. We'll lose to to Vandy, UT, Auburn, and possibly Chatt.--though I see us getting a nice win against them next year.

To summarize, I think we've improved where we needed to improve the most: FUNDAMENTALS. How many close game last year were lost to a bad pass, a dropped ball, a poor in-bounds, a missed rotation, missed free-throws, turnovers and on and on and on.........We'll improve in that respect just be virtue of the type of players we have and the ones coming in. Couple that with a relatively "easy" schedule, and I think we'll win 20-games.

One can hope, right????
06-24-2006 02:54 PM
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Certainly can't blame you for hoping. But remember, I think you forgot to add in the holiday tournament which will probably result in two losses.

I hope you're right.
06-24-2006 04:05 PM
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13 wins max. Still have no indication that any defense can or will be played, impact players don't show up a mid-major schools. While one may start, it will most likely take a year for him to make the adjustment to D1 low-major basketball.

Just my opinions, hope I'm wrong.
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Forgot about the tourney. I hope you're wrong, too BucDoc. Although if my memory serves me, I recall you predicting an abysmal season last year too. Damn.
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I hope I am wrong also, but there are just too many questions to be answered. No established point guard, some inexperience, no clear favorite for shooting guard, who will replace Smith's scoring each night, etc.

I hope there are answers to these questions, but I am afraid at this level of basketball, it takes quite a while to sort these things out. Now my hope is that by the end of the season, thing will begin to gel. Of course getting hammered night after night in the early season may take its toll on the confidence of this young team.

I see potential for improvement for the 07-08 season.
06-24-2006 07:00 PM
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I would say Pigram probably takes over as the leading scorer on the team but I doubt he gets the 23+ per game Smith got...maybe 16 or 17.
06-24-2006 07:48 PM
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Doctor- I think you have to remember with Tim Smith, he didn't ADD to the team's scoring- he took away from his teammates by being such a ball hog.

It's a weak conference, so the wins will be there. I say after November we'll know if the team is watchable or not, though they will then pad their record against the A-Sun (like last year) and some people will get a false sense of optimism.
06-25-2006 08:57 AM
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There will definitely be a more even distribution of points this year, with Pigram likely being the leading scorer. Speaking of Pigram, I could see him getting some time at the point next year. With Keaton's departure, that leaves us with only Taylor and Twilley. I acutally like Pigram getting some minutes at the point. First, though there's no question he has a scorer's mentality, he has incredible court vision--far superior to Timmy. Second, he has an intuitive understanding of the game. When focused and disciplined and not trying to go mano-e-mano, he does make everyone better. Lastly, I think Courtney really improved from beginning to end, esp. defense.

My hope is in the off season a lot of the guys have made improvements in their game. Tayloe definitely needs to add weight and improve his jumper. Same for Dante Williams. I hope Reed can put on another 10 lbs. + and add to his post game. I think Thomas will be improved just by having a year under his belt. And I hope Swader will live up to his hype.
06-25-2006 10:16 AM
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BucDoctor Wrote:13 wins max. Still have no indication that any defense can or will be played, impact players don't show up a mid-major schools. While one may start, it will most likely take a year for him to make the adjustment to D1 low-major basketball.

Just my opinions, hope I'm wrong.

Jennings
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and really you have to put Smith here to.


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Actually, you don't.

The Bucs were the So Con champs for two years before they broke through the NCAAs.

They slumped in the tournament, true, but let's ask ourselves.

What if Sam Oatman- YES OATMAN- doesn't get hurt with a ten point lead and five minutes left in 2001 against Georgia Southern?

Likely scenario- Bucs hold on and win, possibly win the tournament.

They were a one-point OT loss away from beating Charleston- AT CHARLESTON- in 2002.

So the point here is, and you know I said it at the time, if Smith goes somewhere else- a competent PG still continues to give the ball to a mature Fields and Wadood- the Bucs still go to the NCAAs- and quite possibly doesn't make the boneheaded decisions that prohibited the Bucs from taking the lead on Wake Forest in the NCAAs when the Deacs struggled offensively in the first half.

CERTAINLY no other PG makes the selfish decisions he did at the end that cost the Bucs the game.

And the same thing happened the next year (NO TIM! WE NEED THREE! NO! NO! NO!)

There is no bigger goat- in the HISTORY OF SPORTS IN THE TRI-CITIES- than Tim Smith.

The excuse making that was made for him that overrated him to the point of national attention was absolutely nausiating.
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Rod,
Please look at the context of my comment. With the exception of English who was a Juco transfer, none of those players were impact players when they showed up on campus, it took nearly a season for all the others to develop. Case in point is that Talford didn't even start until I believe the Wake Forrest game his frosh year.

My point was that there may be some great recruits coming in, but if history is an indication, none of them will be ready to be a D1 impact player the first of the season.

I think you would agree that a new recruit would be in rare air at ETSU if they were better than those you mentioned were, and even ETSU's best have had a period of transition to D1 ball.
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Oatman wasn't a good enough player to take ETSU to the NCAA. Smith had lots of negatives and he was totally out of control after Wadood and Fields and probaly needed to leave with them. But he was 10x the player Oatman ever dreamed of being. Oatman is remembered alot more fondly then his talent warranted. He was such the anti-Smith people want to make him out to be better then he was.

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SHAW-

ETSU is up by 10 before he's hurt with five minutes left.

They lose the game by 8.

Obviously Oatman brought something to the table in that game.

Was he flashy? No. But he was efficient.
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PittsburghBucs Wrote:SHAW-

ETSU is up by 10 before he's hurt with five minutes left.

They lose the game by 8.

Obviously Oatman brought something to the table in that game.

Was he flashy? No. But he was efficient.

See this whole thing is not true. Pitt once again trying to rewrite history. Georgia Southern rallied and took the lead with 6 minutes to go BIG Difference. ETSU last lead was with 4 minutes to go. Kinda makes the whole ETSU fell apart without Oatman thing less true. Cliff DeCoster was our PG that game and he brought 20 points to the table. As for the 1 point loss to CoC the next year, Oatman didn't play, for that entire season. Lawson was the PG.

Quote:GREENVILLE, S.C. (AP) -- Julius Jenkins had 10 of his 15 points during a 15-4 second-half run as Georgia Southern rallied for a 72-64 victory over top-seeded East Tennessee State at the Southern Conference tournament Friday night.

The loss by East Tennessee (18-10) leaves the league semifinals without its high-profile favorite in the College of Charleston and without the team with its best conference mark in the Buccaneers.

Charleston lost to Davidson, 57-54, earlier Friday.

Jenkins, the team's leading scorer, had only taken three shots in the first half as the Eagles (15-14) fell behind 49-39. But he found his range with two 3-pointers and two baskets during the critical stretch. His driving layup capped the run with Georgia Southern up 54-53 with 6:08 to play.

After Dimeco Childress made two foul shots to regain the lead for East Tennessee, reserve Sam Cox was fouled on a 3-point try and made the free throws as Georgia Southern took the lead for good with 4:02 left.

East Tennessee (18-10) scored only four points until the final seconds when the game was out of reach.

Georgia Southern will go against Chattanooga or Appalachian State on Saturday. Davidson will face North Carolina Greensboro. The champion, and the automatic NCAA tournament berth that goes with it, will be decided Sunday.



Sean Peterson led Georgia Southern with 17 points. Kashien Latham had 11 points and 12 rebounds
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Oh for GOD'S SAKE-

If you can go back and take me to the play-by-play, go ahead.

BUT THE FACT IS THAT OATMAN GOT HURT WITH ETSU HAVING A BIG LEAD LATE AND THEY LOST IT!!!!!

Now, here's your problem Rod and why you're the STUPIDEST person on this board.

You know from DAY ONE I was getting on our favorite Ball Hog. I took the heat while everyone else looked at flash over fundamentals.

So then who's the No. 2 Smith Basher? WHY- it's you.

And then you criticize me for bashing Smith- like now.

You say I change the facts. THAT'S BUNK!

You're the one who now is praising Smith. Why? Because you don't like me.

Which is fine, BUT AT LEAST HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY OF OPINION!!!!!

For the record, Rod, Ed DeChellis privately blamed the GSU loss on the loss of Oatman.

I THINK THAT TRUMPS YOUR LAME ATTEMPTS AT LIBEL TO SAY "PITT IS WRONG! PITT IS WRONG!"

Go join your hypocritical friend THE DOCTOR!

SHEESH!
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I hope you are correct. But UT is bringing in tremendous talent and will make noise again nationally, and Vandy is always a tough place to play. Plus they always have great 3pt shooters and with our tough perimeter D (ha) I can see someone for them having a another record night against us. Auburn, even though not that good in the SEC, could still run throught the ASun talent with no problems.

My record included getting swept by the SEC, the holiday tourney, and by both Lipscomb and Belmot and I still came up with 18 wins. But it could easily be a loosing record year with the young talent, new point guards, and coaching issues.

Buccaneerlover Wrote:I like your optimism! I don't think Vandy will blow us out of the gym, and with UT, they don't necessarily have a proven point guard
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"My record included getting swept by the SEC, the holiday tourney, and by both Lipscomb and Belmot and I still came up with 18 wins. But it could easily be a loosing record year with the young talent, new point guards, and coaching issues. "

It's funny you should mention coaching issues, they've got two of them on that sideline. If it were more of a Boyd and Wagers ran team I don't think the two Nashville schools sweep us, but right now I can't see us finding a way to stop Belmont from torching us from three point range. We'll lose one to Campbell this year, and it wouldn't suprise me in the least to lose to Stetson and kennesaw as well.
UT is fired up about basketball this year, but that'll pass quickly I think. Tennessee won't be anywhere near as good this year I don't think, Pearl wants to start three freshman.
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