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epasnoopy Wrote:

houstonhuskie Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:

nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:smokefree is rediculous if people want to spend there money to smoke let them, to tell they cant is against peoples rights as citizens of the United States

These people can still smoke. In their house in front of their three month old baby, in their car, and anywhere else its not prohibited.

Majority rules in this country. What we say goes. That's just the way it is.

i just merely question what about smokers makes them so frightening....so dangerous to you ....

You think all that second degree smoke we breath in has no health concerns?

Absolutely it does. ANd I have been careful in my arguments here to not include areas where bans make sense. ENclosed areas, resterraunts, airplanes etc... The immediacy of the health concern in those areas certain override an individuals "pursuit of happiness"

however, outside, in areas designed for smokers (cigar bars for example), establishments that might wish to cater to smokers over non-smokers (bars come to mind). To put a blanket ban on smoking is unneccessary. If turly the majority ruled, all resterrraunts would be smoke free because in a capatalistic society the management would certainly cater to its majority clientel. Making it illegal would be superfluous. But to ban smoking in outside parks, is rediculous when weighing the dangers of the legal polutions that we tolerate around us and the miniscule dangers of second hand cigarette smoke comparitively in an open air environment.

houstonhuskie Wrote:just cringe when the legislature begins to decide what I can and cannot do to myself and selctively tries to legislate my freedoms.

Again, these people can still smoke. It's just becoming more regulated. Government's have been regulating smoking longer than these recent statewide bannings.

Change smoking to drinking in these scenarios and the argument seems less solid. SHould we legislate that resterraunts cannot serve alcohol because of the possibility that someone might become intoxicated, or drive, or become addicted. SHould we stop allowing alcohol to be enjoyed by anyone anywhere except in the privacy of their own home where they can only hurt those around them? (realize that the deaths attributable to alcohol and cigarettes both directly and indirectly are comperable and the chance of getting killed by second hand smoke is much less then becoming the victim of an alcohol related accident.)

Yet, smoking (and yes it is a vile habit and an addictive one as well) seems to be the only vise that we concentrate on as we attempt to clean up society by legistation. It is the easiest.

Again....I actually really hate cigarette smoke....i am angered by big-tobacco and their policies of involuntary addiction...and I am happy to say that I am 12 years smoke free. I just shudder when the government tries to protect me from me ....my choices and my free will under the guise that it greatly benefits society....because, I just wonder what is their next target....alcohol? cell phones? (driving with a cell phone on has been proven to be twice as dangererous as driving while under the influence)

Yes.

houstonhuskie Wrote:i just merely question what about smokers makes them so frightening....so dangerous to you ....so much that you might decide to further limit the personal freedoms of the citizenry in order to regulate them when there are so many other equal vises within american society that you would openly embrace.

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/conten...or_Air.asp

BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:

houstonhuskie Wrote:i just merely question what about smokers makes them so frightening....so dangerous to you ....so much that you might decide to further limit the personal freedoms of the citizenry in order to regulate them when there are so many other equal vises within american society that you would openly embrace.

Just some facts on why smokers are dangerous to me...

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/conten...or_Air.asp

Second hand smoke kills. Period. It is a choice for you to smoke and if you do that's great. Big tobacco keeps you addicted and your taxes fund things too.

But I agree with the people who say that I have an equal right to breathe carcenogenic free air.

Your also correct about the autos on the road as well. It is another topic for another day. Big Oil doesn't want to lose the business, and Detroit is slowly going out of business and can't afford the R+D. If our wonderful government would get their heads out of their collective a$$ and give incentives to deveolp alternative fuels we wouldn't have that problem either. Out.

I have Asthma.. so a smoke free place is a pretty big deal to me. People drinking don't hurt me in any way.. unless they drive drunk or just get too drunk and decided to fight me or something. But both of those things are already illegal. So as long as people are following the law, drinking doesn't harm me in any way.. and if they don't follow the law then they are going to get in trouble anyways.

Smoking does harm me and to compare the two is not really justifiable, when the negatives that you mention that come from alcohol use are already illegal.

One of the things that really bothers me about smoking are the smoking related health problems that we non-smokers end up paying for.


If you get in a lot of accidents with your car, your insurance goes up because you are a greater risk to the insurance company? If you smoke and want life insurance, the rate is higher. But what about health insurance? I think there should be a higher premium for those people. My health insurance is higher than it should be because I am forced to subsidize some dumb*** who smokes and gets lung cancer. It is wrong that our health insurance premiums are the same.

Kedzman Wrote:One of the things that really bothers me about smoking are the smoking related health problems that we non-smokers end up paying for.


If you get in a lot of accidents with your car, your insurance goes up because you are a greater risk to the insurance company? If you smoke and want life insurance, the rate is higher. But what about health insurance? I think there should be a higher premium for those people. My health insurance is higher than it should be because I am forced to subsidize some dumb*** who smokes and gets lung cancer. It is wrong that our health insurance premiums are the same.

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