And this is not the Horse**** board because ?

Quote:I benefits the oil company that wins the drilling contract, nobody else.

So when you eat a bowl of Special K the benefit is only to Kelloggs and you get nothing out of the equation?

Might as well move into a commune and live off berries and nuts. It's the only way you can avoid being the victim of the capitalist pigs in corporate America.

Quote:Supply and demand doesnt work with oil because it is a need now not a want. People have to pay wat they charge so they charge up the rear end for it.

Is that why gas was a $1.85 in Feb. when we had unseasonable temps, and the refineries were sitting on gobs of unsold heating oil? Or were the oil companies just feeling charitable?

While I dont always think gas prices reflect the cost of a barrel of oil, I also dont think the the enviro nuts are honest in their assessments of doom and gloom, corporate greed, and of course their finger pointing at the glutonous American consumer.

Thought that you were all for domestic production so that we didn't rely on foreign oil, even though the yield will be a drop in a bucket, awarded to BP, and sold to Asia? You're all over the map.

I agree though, those oil companies have our best interest at heart, there's no corporate greed there, it's overblown by that awful media.

Maybe Fox had it and I missed the headline? :shhh:

Hell yes I am all for domestic production.

Quote:even though the yield will be a drop in a bucket, awarded to BP, and sold to Asia?

And what little bird told you that would happen? I have enough faith in our government that if they awarded these contracts, they'd keep what is found in the country.

But really, what in the he11 is the reason for not drilling there? An oil well takes up a very small portion of land. We're talking an area of 90,000 square miles, with one costal village of 200 Inuits. There is little wildlife in the region, and even if there is, so what? Is a four legged creature incapable of coexisting with an oil rig every 10 miles? There are oil platforms all over the world. It's not like they're blowing up, and leaking everyday. The Environuts told us the Alaskan pipeline would be horrible for Alaska and its environment. All it did was bring an economic boom to Alaska, and the animals like hanging around it, because it gives off heat. So what is the big fear of drilling here?????? Interestingly, 70% of Alaskans want ANWR explored. It's a bunch of do-gooders back in the continental US who squawk the loudest.

Estimates according to a report by the CBC. [quote]The companies that want to get at that oil estimate there's 16 billion barrels waiting to be pumped south

Quote:I have enough faith in our government that if they awarded these contracts, they'd keep what is found in the country.

Yeah, like our IT jobs, our manufacturing base, allowing illegal immigration to run rampant for years, that's the kind of faith that gets you in trouble. I'm glad that you have faith and trust your government and those benevolent oil companies to look out for us.

I'm not about the environment issue with that drilling, so attacking that angle isn't going to work.

MY whole point is that we believe what our federal government tells us in conjunction with the oil monopoly to the point of ad nauseam, and that 'evil media' does nothing to investigate or report why we're being so short sighted about our energy issue. I especially love how this was attempted to turn into a debate about drilling for a relatively small amount of oil in Alaska that will do nothing to solve our energy challenges.

No it wont do anything to solve the energy crisis. But it is a bandaid solution to help ease the pain until technology solves the problem. This is, and has always been about "cost vs. benefit." We're nearing the point where the cost of using an internal combustion engine exceeds the cost of public transportation, hybreds, car pooling, etc. When we reach that point the market will solve the problem.

I firmly believe that in 15 years gas will be cheaper than it is today as the demand for it will have decreased, and other supplies will have been found. Sure, call me kookie. There have been endless prophets of doom in the last 40 years, with Al Gore being the most recent. Remember Paul Ehrlich's predictions of global famine do to overpopulation and his bet with Julian Simon.

The 1980-1990 Ehrlich-Simon Bet

Quote:Simon won a famous bet with Paul Ehrlich about how the price of metals would move in the 1980s. The Stanford University population biologist Paul Ehrlich who tends to believe that the world is facing increasing scarcity believed that the price of metals would go up because of this.

Simon won the bet, because unlike Ehrlich, Simon didnt think the world was static. He didnt believe we'd all stand around twiddling our thumbs and quaking in our boots waiting for the end to come. Technology improved, additional mineral reserves were found, and Ehrlich lost his bet. I'm confident the same will happen with energy.

I think the the Oil Companies are absolutely manipulating the price of gas & using every excuse in the book as a cover.

Our government (dems and repubs BOTH) are failing to do anything for the public good as they are all too busy stuffing special interest money into their pockets. They would rather debate gay marriage or other side issues.

It is a corporations job to make as much money as possible. It is our governments job to look after the best interests of the public and to monitor and restrain private companies if it is too harmful to the country as a whole.

IMO, it is our govt. that is failing badly and it's not a democrat or republican failure - it is a failure of them all. They no longer "serve the public".....they serve themselves only really care about getting re-elected.

Ahhhh the blame America crowd. It's always America's fault. We are so f$%king evil. Why look what we did to the Germans and Japenese. We had the audacity to defeat them, rebuild them, and give them freedom. Evil evil America. And here we go doing it again in Iraq. We defeat an oil rich tirant, and we not only dont take the oil, we attempt to set up a democracy.

Yes, a country of such evil surely is caniving on how they can screw Americans out of their hard earned dollars at the gas pump. But the real beauty of this giant collusion, is that the thousands involved in the scheme never devulge the secret behind the plan. Not one single leak!!!! Ever.

If gas is $6 a gallon in Europe then imagine how awful their governments must be. Hong Kong gas is going for 5.60 a gallon. That evil, corrupt free Chinese government, not doing its part to help its people!!!!! Or how about the evil corrupt Norweigian government. $5.07 a gallon!!!!! Clearly they too are in kahoots with big oil. :shhh: Only a few trust worthy governments in the world that I can see. Russia, where gas is $1.45 a gallon. China, where it's $1.48 a gallon. Not sure what Castro is selling gas for in Cuba, but no doubt his people are not getting screwed by big oil. He just wouldnt allow it. lmfao But clearly the best of the best........yep, Venezuela. Venezuela, where a clear headed, non-corrupt government sells gas for 14 cents a gallon . Gee, this couldnt possibly be market driven now could it? Nope, as Crebmen says, it's simply big oil picking our pockets, while every government in the world, with the exception of Venezuela, Russia, and China lmfao go along with the big scheme.

Quote:I think the the Oil Companies are absolutely manipulating the price of gas & using every excuse in the book as a cover.

Thats a red herring. The price of petroleum has not changed much. The price of GASOLINE has changed, because of scarcity. Mainly due to refining capacity limitations. That is not hype, it's fact.

I paid $ 3.10/gallon today for regular. I'll be in the office at 6:00 am tomorrow working my ass off to get GM hybrids on the road as fast as we can. At that price of gas, we can expect increased demand for our vehicles!

Naahh screw working your azz off to develop a hybred. Just move to Russia or Venezuela. Cheap gas everywhere, thanks to a government that is not in bed with big oil lmfao

That's true, you shouldn't complain about your government, participate or even vote against the oil protecting party, because you get called all kinds of bad names and mocked by the protectors of the status quo.

I don't remember anyone saying that Russia or Venezuela was their option, maybe I haven't read this thread closely?

You're right, we need a government that is in bed with big oil, there are many democracy's to instill throughout the world, and we need their resources to do so. It goes very well for us when we do that. Iraq is following right along, not to mention our World Bank influence, right now they're meeting to discuss what a great job Wolfie has been doing these last couple of years.

DB you're all over the map. I simply illustrated that there is no correlation between governments being in bed with big oil, and the price of gas. If your assumption is correct for the US, that our government is in bed with big oil, than doesnt it hold true for the UK, Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan, and Italy as well? After all gas is as much or higher in all of those countries. Conversely, since it's dirt cheap in Russia they must have a pristine reputation in terms of government corruption.

You simply illustrated that huh? Where was that? I saw you scrambling and whining because it would look like your government that you have so much faith in (THAT was funny) is so obviously in bed with big oil that you grab for straws and loose correlations between other contries with totally different energy policies, economic systems, and demands on energy to show that our government isn't in bed with big oil.

Yeah right.

Yes, and speaking of our government being in bed with big oil. How is it, that the dumbest president in the history of the planet becomes a genius when it comes to manipulating the oil market. He's just too smart for us to catch him. lmfao

Furthermore, there is always someone in the halls of the White House ready to leak information for political milage or to embarrass the administration. Yet none, not one, has ever leaked that Bush had a meeting with Exxon, BP, etc. and made a backroom deal. Not only could you get political milage out of that leak, you could probably get a multimillion dollar book deal.

Every president including Carter has been accused of being in bed with big oil. Yet not a single leak from anyone present at that meeting.

C'mon, lay off Dip. It's merely a coincidence that since we elected two oil men and their sycophants to the White House that gas prices have sky-rocketed and we invaded one of the biggest oil-producing countries in the Middle East.

Not to mention Haliburton...

Yep, it's a giant conspiracy put forth by one of the most brilliant masterminds of our time, George Bush. I heard when Bush was 11 years old he convinced Lee Harvey Oswald (a Texan as well..........need I say more) to plug JFK. Even then Bush was a criminal mastermind.

Lest we forget that Bush was also part owner of the Texas Rangers. No doubt he was in bed with "big baseball" and helped push through the A-Rod deal. Probably got kickbacks from Steinbrenner and unloaded that enormous salary in Texas.

And what about fellow Texan Molly Ivans. She died recently you know. Molly never had one kind word for GW in her columns. Is it a coincidence that she recently died. I think not.

And Haliburton.............yes, Haliburton. Never mind that they are the only company in the world that goes into hostile countries to rebuild infrastructure. Their former ties to Cheney make it clear that they too are in bed with this administration.

Don't the Bushes have a home in Maine? That's a couple hours drive from Chappequidik. I think we know now who drove off that bridge with Mary Joe.

Well the "Energy Policy" blowup had to do with secret meetings for the Bush admin to establish their energy policy, and the leak at that time was the members of the committee were Cheney and Big Oil reps. Cheney just said well who else would you have come in to talk about energy? Duh. Birds of a feather flock together as they say.

And then luckily the war came along and attention was diverted.

History will eventually figure it all out, I'm thinking it will not be a pretty story.

Well the "Energy Policy" blowup had to do with secret meetings for the Bush admin to establish their energy policy, and the leak at that time was the members of the committee were Cheney and Big Oil reps. Cheney just said well who else would you have come in to talk about energy? Duh. Birds of a feather flock together as they say.

And then luckily the war came along and attention was diverted.

History will eventually figure it all out, I'm thinking it will not be a pretty story.

What they call a "2-fer"?

But I only got credit for one post!