H2Oville Rocket Wrote:Jeff Miller was the first, I believe, Mr. Ohio in basketball. 1965 grad from Shawnee-His senior year Shawnee was 25-1 and he averaged about 25 a game. Went on to osu and led them in scoring his first year before blowing out his knee. He and I are the only players to have their number retired at Shawnee, I think. Of course, that's because when I played JV ball we got the old varsity unis and I was assigned his #. I did not represent it well. ;-)

Ahhh yes, that Miller. I saw his plaque in the gym, and heard rumors of his prowess. I didn't realize that the award was "Mr. Ohio Basketball" back then.

Start a mid-major end-of-season tourney? Funded by what? And intended only so all 65 spots in the big boy tournament are taken by big boys? And admit we can't compete with them?

Worst. Idea. Ever.

MikeSpicer Wrote:Actually, it's 97.

Yes, typo. Thanks.

DrTorch Wrote:

H2Oville Rocket Wrote:Jeff Miller was the first, I believe, Mr. Ohio in basketball. 1965 grad from Shawnee-His senior year Shawnee was 25-1 and he averaged about 25 a game. Went on to osu and led them in scoring his first year before blowing out his knee. He and I are the only players to have their number retired at Shawnee, I think. Of course, that's because when I played JV ball we got the old varsity unis and I was assigned his #. I did not represent it well. ;-)

Ahhh yes, that Miller. I saw his plaque in the gym, and heard rumors of his prowess. I didn't realize that the award was "Mr. Ohio Basketball" back then.

Not sure if that was the title but according to the yearbook and other sources his was the first award given to a single player as opposed to five guys being first team and having equal status. But it was a loooong time ago so who knows?

ZippyRulz Wrote:http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/16929333.htm

Laing Kennedy says the MAC needs to get creative...

yee i think i said that like a 10000000000 times , a mids tourn. is going to happen sooner than later ..bet on it...

This is would be playing into the bigs hands. It is what they want. Then they have the all the bucks to themselves. It also eliminates those embarrassing loses to the mids.

oldfan1 Wrote:

ZippyRulz Wrote:http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/16929333.htm

Laing Kennedy says the MAC needs to get creative...

yee i think i said that like a 10000000000 times , a mids tourn. is going to happen sooner than later ..bet on it...

If you don't want to play with the big boys, knowing that you're going to get the short end of the at-large stick more often than not, then drop to DII.

oldfan1 Wrote:

ZippyRulz Wrote:http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/16929333.htm

Laing Kennedy says the MAC needs to get creative...

yee i think i said that like a 10000000000 times , a mids tourn. is going to happen sooner than later ..bet on it...

I'm your huckleberry. Define the parameters, and we can discuss a wager.

DrTorch Wrote:

oldfan1 Wrote:

ZippyRulz Wrote:http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/16929333.htm

Laing Kennedy says the MAC needs to get creative...

yee i think i said that like a 10000000000 times , a mids tourn. is going to happen sooner than later ..bet on it...

I'm your huckleberry. Define the parameters, and we can discuss a wager.

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RedSteve Wrote:Start a mid-major end-of-season tourney? Funded by what? And intended only so all 65 spots in the big boy tournament are taken by big boys? And admit we can't compete with them?

Worst. Idea. Ever.

Before I watched the hose job that the officials put on SIU (Kansas) and Butler (Florida) I agreed with you; however those 2 games cemented the notion that the NCAA wants the top mid major teams to advance to the Sweet 16 of the NCAA and die there. The NCAA wants the final 8 to remain an exclusive BCS club and while I would never suggest that a mid major team refuse an NCAA at large bid; exploring the idea of a 16 team postseason tourney to compete with the NIT has merit. THe NIT still has a large eastern bias and disproportionately stocks their tourney with BE & ACC teams.

The NIT also has shrunk back to 32 from 40 bids, which this year disproportionately affected mid major teams. The MVC was the only mid major conference that received at least 2 bids to that tourney. There were a number of mid major teams with 20+ wins including wins over NCAA tourney teams that went nowhere in the post season. I also believe that a postseason tourney with a championship final in the middle of the country (Chicago, St. Louis,,Detroit, etc) would be of more interest to college hoops fans nationally than one that is held in NYC which has a 2 to 3 hour time difference from Denver, Phoenix, SD, LA, SF & Seattle.

I would not exclude BCS conference teams as having at least 3 (this year Iowa and Missouri would have been good draws and had decent records)
would entice a network to televise it, i.e. Fox Sports, Versus.

This tourney would serve as a coming out party for successful yet relatively unknown smaller conference teams and a BCS team that may be young and on the way up. It would also serve as a shot at the NCAA leadership by the mid majors that these conferences aren't happy with the way they are being treated and aren't going to sit back and take it anymore.

onlinepole Wrote:

RedSteve Wrote:Start a mid-major end-of-season tourney? Funded by what? And intended only so all 65 spots in the big boy tournament are taken by big boys? And admit we can't compete with them?

Worst. Idea. Ever.

Before I watched the hose job that the officials put on SIU (Kansas) and Butler (Florida) I agreed with you; however those 2 games cemented the notion that the NCAA wants the top mid major teams to advance to the Sweet 16 of the NCAA and die there. The NCAA wants the final 8 to remain an exclusive BCS club and while I would never suggest that a mid major team refuse an NCAA at large bid; exploring the idea of a 16 team postseason tourney to compete with the NIT has merit. THe NIT still has a large eastern bias and disproportionately stocks their tourney with BE & ACC teams.

The NIT also has shrunk back to 32 from 40 bids, which this year disproportionately affected mid major teams. The MVC was the only mid major conference that received at least 2 bids to that tourney. There were a number of mid major teams with 20+ wins including wins over NCAA tourney teams that went nowhere in the post season. I also believe that a postseason tourney with a championship final in the middle of the country (Chicago, St. Louis,,Detroit, etc) would be of more interest to college hoops fans nationally than one that is held in NYC which has a 2 to 3 hour time difference from Denver, Phoenix, SD, LA, SF & Seattle.

I would not exclude BCS conference teams as having at least 3 (this year Iowa and Missouri would have been good draws and had decent records)
would entice a network to televise it, i.e. Fox Sports, Versus.

This tourney would serve as a coming out party for successful yet relatively unknown smaller conference teams and a BCS team that may be young and on the way up. It would also serve as a shot at the NCAA leadership by the mid majors that these conferences aren't happy with the way they are being treated and aren't going to sit back and take it anymore.

This is what I was saying. I would only add that if you have an objective means to evaluate teams and invite them accordingly, I believe it would eventually succeed. How many teams have felt slighted, that they've been victims of some backroom deal? People will go for this if they feel it's done fairly.