NIUtrav09 Wrote:for us.

No comment needed.

Bartindekalb Wrote:

NIUtrav09 Wrote:for us.

No comment needed.

Oh no! My identity has been revealed! I'm an Illini fan too!

Husky Hub Wrote:In Fl States case the Seminole tribe petitioned the NCAA to keep the Mascot. whereas the illini decendants of the ILLINI are the people who want the mascot removed.

Another problem with this argument is that there are supposedly no more living people from the Illini tribes. at least according to teh sun times on sunday.

NIUtrav09 Wrote:They never complained until these PC groups came along and told them they should be offended. Where were they 90 years ago? 80? 50? 30? 20? 15?

If they say they are offended then so it is... I'm not going to say I agree but who am I to say being a caucasian male.

Here's a stat for you.. over the past few years, U of I's enrollment of Native American students has dropped only 3%. Not bad considering admissions standards were raised once again.

Do you actually believe some of the stuff that comes out of your mouth? You said Native American's weren't the ones complaining. I pointed out two Native American groups associated with the University of Illinois who do NOT support the use of the Chief Illiniwek mascot. Then you make crap up to defend it. Do you really believe they didn't object until some white guys protested? That's really naive or delussional. That Errol Morris quote in my signature just keeps proving itself over and over.

Quote:If they don't like it, then stop making the outfit for us.

Um yeah, I guess you didn't read my whole post.

dynovinyl Wrote:

NIUtrav09 Wrote:They never complained until these PC groups came along and told them they should be offended. Where were they 90 years ago? 80? 50? 30? 20? 15?

If they say they are offended then so it is... I'm not going to say I agree but who am I to say being a caucasian male.

Here's a stat for you.. over the past few years, U of I's enrollment of Native American students has dropped only 3%. Not bad considering admissions standards were raised once again.

Do you actually believe some of the stuff that comes out of your mouth? You said Native American's weren't the ones complaining. I pointed out two Native American groups associated with the University of Illinois who do NOT support the use of the Chief Illiniwek mascot. Then you make crap up to defend it. Do you really believe they didn't object until some white guys protested? That's really naive or delussional. That Errol Morris quote in my signature just keeps proving itself over and over.

Quote:If they don't like it, then stop making the outfit for us.

Um yeah, I guess you didn't read my whole post.

No.. I realize there are some Native Americans that are not in favor of it. My question is, where were these people years ago BEFORE all the white PC groups came out and said the Chief was racist. It's as if the Native Americans didn't care until they were told they should be offended.

But as I said.. as a white male I really have no right to say if they should be offended or not. Point is, the Chief is gone and I'm pissed.


Side note... the Illini are planning a "Paint the Hall BLACK" day for today's and Wednesday's games.

If you don't already know, Assembly Hall is a sea of orange on gameday... Quite a sight. Anyway, after the Chief does his performance, all the fans are going to switch to black shirts. Much better than the proposed "walk out" imo.

NIUtrav09 Wrote:

dynovinyl Wrote:

NIUtrav09 Wrote:They never complained until these PC groups came along and told them they should be offended. Where were they 90 years ago? 80? 50? 30? 20? 15?

If they say they are offended then so it is... I'm not going to say I agree but who am I to say being a caucasian male.

Here's a stat for you.. over the past few years, U of I's enrollment of Native American students has dropped only 3%. Not bad considering admissions standards were raised once again.

Do you actually believe some of the stuff that comes out of your mouth? You said Native American's weren't the ones complaining. I pointed out two Native American groups associated with the University of Illinois who do NOT support the use of the Chief Illiniwek mascot. Then you make crap up to defend it. Do you really believe they didn't object until some white guys protested? That's really naive or delussional. That Errol Morris quote in my signature just keeps proving itself over and over.

Quote:If they don't like it, then stop making the outfit for us.

Um yeah, I guess you didn't read my whole post.

No.. I realize there are some Native Americans that are not in favor of it. My question is, where were these people years ago BEFORE all the white PC groups came out and said the Chief was racist. It's as if the Native Americans didn't care until they were told they should be offended.

But as I said.. as a white male I really have no right to say if they should be offended or not. Point is, the Chief is gone and I'm pissed.


Side note... the Illini are planning a "Paint the Hall BLACK" day for today's and Wednesday's games.

If you don't already know, Assembly Hall is a sea of orange on gameday... Quite a sight. Anyway, after the Chief does his performance, all the fans are going to switch to black shirts. Much better than the proposed "walk out" imo.

is this game on tv? i would love to see this on tv

nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:

NIUtrav09 Wrote:

dynovinyl Wrote:

NIUtrav09 Wrote:They never complained until these PC groups came along and told them they should be offended. Where were they 90 years ago? 80? 50? 30? 20? 15?

If they say they are offended then so it is... I'm not going to say I agree but who am I to say being a caucasian male.

Here's a stat for you.. over the past few years, U of I's enrollment of Native American students has dropped only 3%. Not bad considering admissions standards were raised once again.

Do you actually believe some of the stuff that comes out of your mouth? You said Native American's weren't the ones complaining. I pointed out two Native American groups associated with the University of Illinois who do NOT support the use of the Chief Illiniwek mascot. Then you make crap up to defend it. Do you really believe they didn't object until some white guys protested? That's really naive or delussional. That Errol Morris quote in my signature just keeps proving itself over and over.

Quote:If they don't like it, then stop making the outfit for us.

Um yeah, I guess you didn't read my whole post.

No.. I realize there are some Native Americans that are not in favor of it. My question is, where were these people years ago BEFORE all the white PC groups came out and said the Chief was racist. It's as if the Native Americans didn't care until they were told they should be offended.

But as I said.. as a white male I really have no right to say if they should be offended or not. Point is, the Chief is gone and I'm pissed.


Side note... the Illini are planning a "Paint the Hall BLACK" day for today's and Wednesday's games.

If you don't already know, Assembly Hall is a sea of orange on gameday... Quite a sight. Anyway, after the Chief does his performance, all the fans are going to switch to black shirts. Much better than the proposed "walk out" imo.

is this game on tv? i would love to see this on tv

Not at the dorms.. just ESPN Plus. I get it at my GF's apartment

There's a facebook group about it.. I'm sure there will be pictures and possibly videos posted shortly after the game. It will probably be better on Wednesday. Illini students are also holding a candle light vigil friday night (i believe). If you can't tell, the Chief is a BIG deal.

NIUtrav09 Wrote:

nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:

NIUtrav09 Wrote:

dynovinyl Wrote:

NIUtrav09 Wrote:They never complained until these PC groups came along and told them they should be offended. Where were they 90 years ago? 80? 50? 30? 20? 15?

If they say they are offended then so it is... I'm not going to say I agree but who am I to say being a caucasian male.

Here's a stat for you.. over the past few years, U of I's enrollment of Native American students has dropped only 3%. Not bad considering admissions standards were raised once again.

Do you actually believe some of the stuff that comes out of your mouth? You said Native American's weren't the ones complaining. I pointed out two Native American groups associated with the University of Illinois who do NOT support the use of the Chief Illiniwek mascot. Then you make crap up to defend it. Do you really believe they didn't object until some white guys protested? That's really naive or delussional. That Errol Morris quote in my signature just keeps proving itself over and over.

Quote:If they don't like it, then stop making the outfit for us.

Um yeah, I guess you didn't read my whole post.

No.. I realize there are some Native Americans that are not in favor of it. My question is, where were these people years ago BEFORE all the white PC groups came out and said the Chief was racist. It's as if the Native Americans didn't care until they were told they should be offended.

But as I said.. as a white male I really have no right to say if they should be offended or not. Point is, the Chief is gone and I'm pissed.


Side note... the Illini are planning a "Paint the Hall BLACK" day for today's and Wednesday's games.

If you don't already know, Assembly Hall is a sea of orange on gameday... Quite a sight. Anyway, after the Chief does his performance, all the fans are going to switch to black shirts. Much better than the proposed "walk out" imo.

is this game on tv? i would love to see this on tv

Not at the dorms.. just ESPN Plus. I get it at my GF's apartment

There's a facebook group about it.. I'm sure there will be pictures and possibly videos posted shortly after the game. It will probably be better on Wednesday. Illini students are also holding a candle light vigil friday night (i believe). If you can't tell, the Chief is a BIG deal.

that blows they have Minnesota vs Ohio State on and that game in all likely hood is going to be a blow out while U of I and Northwestern (just barely) have hopes for Postseason tournaments, Great to see that they put things on tv that really dont matter to much

nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:

NIUtrav09 Wrote:

nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:

NIUtrav09 Wrote:

dynovinyl Wrote:

NIUtrav09 Wrote:They never complained until these PC groups came along and told them they should be offended. Where were they 90 years ago? 80? 50? 30? 20? 15?

If they say they are offended then so it is... I'm not going to say I agree but who am I to say being a caucasian male.

Here's a stat for you.. over the past few years, U of I's enrollment of Native American students has dropped only 3%. Not bad considering admissions standards were raised once again.

Do you actually believe some of the stuff that comes out of your mouth? You said Native American's weren't the ones complaining. I pointed out two Native American groups associated with the University of Illinois who do NOT support the use of the Chief Illiniwek mascot. Then you make crap up to defend it. Do you really believe they didn't object until some white guys protested? That's really naive or delussional. That Errol Morris quote in my signature just keeps proving itself over and over.

Quote:If they don't like it, then stop making the outfit for us.

Um yeah, I guess you didn't read my whole post.

No.. I realize there are some Native Americans that are not in favor of it. My question is, where were these people years ago BEFORE all the white PC groups came out and said the Chief was racist. It's as if the Native Americans didn't care until they were told they should be offended.

But as I said.. as a white male I really have no right to say if they should be offended or not. Point is, the Chief is gone and I'm pissed.


Side note... the Illini are planning a "Paint the Hall BLACK" day for today's and Wednesday's games.

If you don't already know, Assembly Hall is a sea of orange on gameday... Quite a sight. Anyway, after the Chief does his performance, all the fans are going to switch to black shirts. Much better than the proposed "walk out" imo.

is this game on tv? i would love to see this on tv

Not at the dorms.. just ESPN Plus. I get it at my GF's apartment

There's a facebook group about it.. I'm sure there will be pictures and possibly videos posted shortly after the game. It will probably be better on Wednesday. Illini students are also holding a candle light vigil friday night (i believe). If you can't tell, the Chief is a BIG deal.

that blows they have Minnesota vs Ohio State on and that game in all likely hood is going to be a blow out while U of I and Northwestern (just barely) have hopes for Postseason tournaments, Great to see that they put things on tv that really dont matter to much

I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if ESPN picks up Wednesday's game against Michigan now that they beat Indiana on Saturday and have a legit shot at making the dance. It's a great bubble matchup, plus add in the fact that it's the Chiefs last game. 90% chance I'm going to the game anyway so either way I see it

nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:is this game on tv? i would love to see this on tv

It's also on Channel 26.

NIUtrav09 Wrote:No.. I realize there are some Native Americans that are not in favor of it. My question is, where were these people years ago BEFORE all the white PC groups came out and said the Chief was racist. It's as if the Native Americans didn't care until they were told they should be offended.

I'm calling shananagans. Do you really believe this? It's a shame that you don't think Native Americans can think for themselves.

By the way, in your earlier post you asked where these people where as recent as 15 years ago. Ironically, 1992 is the year the National Coalition on Racism in Sports and Media was formed. 2 years earlier, the United Indian Nations of Oklahoma "voted unanimously for a resolution 'urging educational institutions, businesses and organizations to abandon caricatures of American Indians that promote negative images and racism.'"

If you're interested here's the link for the NCRSM: http://www.aics.org/NCRSM/index.htm

In all seriousness, I'm glad this discussion came about because it motivated me to research this subject further. I've found some intersting things, learned a lot and reaffirmed my beliefs. So, thanks. Hopefully this conversation provides others with something usefull/interesting/educational.

Trav how does assembly hall look in black? i really wish i could see this

nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:Trav how does assembly hall look in black? i really wish i could see this

Like 2% of the Krush did it. It was planned very last minute.. they will come thru Wednesday.

This thread has run its course.

nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:Trav how does assembly hall look in black? i really wish i could see this

Its so damn dark in there, you won't even be able to see it on tv. You can't even see the student's when they are wearing that sunkist color.

HuskiemobileMan Wrote:

nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:Trav how does assembly hall look in black? i really wish i could see this

Its so damn dark in there, you won't even be able to see it on tv. You can't even see the student's when they are wearing that sunkist color.

How old is your tv? HDTV.. give it a try.

NIUtrav09 Wrote:

HuskiemobileMan Wrote:

nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:Trav how does assembly hall look in black? i really wish i could see this

Its so damn dark in there, you won't even be able to see it on tv. You can't even see the student's when they are wearing that sunkist color.

How old is your tv? HDTV.. give it a try.

about 2 months old. 50" plasma w/HDTV

I don't think it is out of date yet.