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Big East fan: split and expansion.
When people talk about football teams splitting from basketball teams in the big east, and adding another all sports team I usually hear Memphis and UCF the most...

I was wondering why not Ohio?

Basketball is anything but bad...

and I think if Ohio with Frank Solitch(I keep wondering how he could have ever been fired from Nebraska), sorry about the spelling, is given a BCS bid they could explode in football...

What do you all, Ohio fans, think? Agree? Disagree? Support the idea?
07-23-2006 09:28 PM
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Sounds like you are pretty familiar with the school. You know we have a 13,000 seat basketball arena that is largest in the MAC that is Big East ready to go along with an up and coming football program.

I would say interest in joining the Big East is about 50/50 among Ohio fans there are some strong points either way toward joining the Big East.

Points in favor:

1.Geography- Ohio is 2 hours from Cincinnati and WVU. Three or four hours from Louisville and Pittsburgh. Traditionally, most of Ohio's out of state students are from the East Coast, so we have alumni bases in NJ and NYC that would like to see the Bobcats play. We had about 1,000 show up in CT when we played UConn in their old stadium.

2.Academics- Many Bobcat fans think because we are a state flagship school that we deserve better than playing mostly regional schools in the MAC. WVU, UConn, and Rutgers are state flagship schools. UC, Pitt, UL, USF are major urban schools, much bigger than MAC counterparts Toledo, Akron, and Buffalo.

Points against:

1.Budget- Most Big East schools have a 35 to 40 million dollar budget. On the low end is UC and USF with about 25 million dollar budgets. Ohio's budget is only 15 million......joining the Big East would add about 5 million dollars worth of revenue bringing it to 20 million. The AD director at Ohio is working diligently to increase our athletic budget to the top in the MAC. Miami Ohio currently has the largest budget in the MAC at 19 million. Ohio is a growing school that doesn't spend as much as it could on athletics.

2.Comparative advantage- In MAC basketball, Ohio has the largest following and a strong presence in Cleveland where the MAC tourney is played. Ohio won the MAC tourney in 2005 as a 5 seed, the lowest seed ever........having a strong crowd in Cleveland helps. We've had Kentucky play in our arena before, and we've beaten Syracuse, UConn, UNC, UVa, WVU in the last 10 years. Much better than the average mid major. We are trying to replicate this advantage we have in the MAC by upgrading our football facilities to best in the conference. The problem with joining the Big East is we wouldn't have an advantage over anyone in our conference in support or facilities and we might be a bottom level team.

3.Potential- Ohio is only 60 miles from Columbus, the hometown of Ohio State. Columbus is right in the middle of the state so its fanbase covers a wide radius, and they have considerable tradition giving them the best players in the state. The situation is a lot different than with VT in the Big East where they were the biggest football school in that state. Ohio is basically in Ohio State country and a portion of the town pulls for Ohio State. It will be difficult for Ohio to draw the big 40,000 plus type numbers for football unless WVU or Louisville are in town because we are in a small college town too close to Ohio State. We only average 20k right now in the MAC, but we are one of the worst teams in the conference.....I think if we could build a winning tradition we could get things over the 25k mark like Marshall has been able to do but 50-60k forget it. Our season ticketbase is still under 10,000......tough to grow quickly like in Louisville when you are not in a major urban area.

Overall, I'm against going to the Big East because in the MAC we can be a top dog in football and basketball easily. Ohio doesn't have the economic base or statewide athletic appeal on the level that today's BCS conferences are looking for. There are schools in BCS conferences out there like Ohio (e.g. Washington State, Oklahoma State) with smaller support levels that have been grandfathered into the BCS but if you look at how these schools perform, they usually struggle over the long haul and rarely make a January bowl. They are just as well off to be playing in a non-BCS conference.
07-30-2006 10:20 AM
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Whomever the Big East takes, it won't be Marshall. Do they still have a football team?
08-01-2006 11:43 PM
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NWLB Wrote:Whomever the Big East takes, it won't be Marshall. Do they still have a football team?

When Marshall made the decision to join CUSA, I believe they thought they were getting a different kind of a conference....a conference with Texas Christian and not El Paso.......a conference with a top 25 team or two like it was a few years ago.

CUSA also took a hit when the MWC decided to pull out of the Liberty, essentially reducing the Liberty Bowl to a CUSA vs. low level SEC matchup. The Liberty is no better than the Motor City Bowl now.......

Marshall is really going to be hurting when Memphis leaves for the Big East......taking the Liberty Bowl with them and the conference basketball tournament, plus the only final four contender CUSA has.....
08-20-2006 09:00 PM
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You put Ohio in the Big East with BCS money with 8 BE teams coming to the Convo for hoops and national TV exposure in both football and basket. That's a deal that the school couldn't turn down. It would forever change the school. They would have 13,000 in hoops every nite as the Big names would have to come to Athens. Having Pitt, UC, WV, Louisville, Conn, Syracuse come to the Convo. Football would have 25,000 every nite and Peden would have to expand to 30,000. Could become the Duke of the BE if given that kind of money. A basketball crazy school with a cute little football stadium that is close to rivals and solid academics. An O'Sheaville could be build in Tailgreat park. Having Ohio and Miami in the Big East with the current 8 football schools with Marshall and Temple also joining to reach 12 would be an exciting conference for fans. Intense regional rivals with modest budgets by BCS standards. Offcourse greed with make BE take inferior UCF or ECU instead of Miami or Ohio due to demographics.
08-22-2006 01:18 AM
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OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:You put Ohio in the Big East with BCS money with 8 BE teams coming to the Convo for hoops and national TV exposure in both football and basket. That's a deal that the school couldn't turn down. It would forever change the school. They would have 13,000 in hoops every nite as the Big names would have to come to Athens. Having Pitt, UC, WV, Louisville, Conn, Syracuse come to the Convo. Football would have 25,000 every nite and Peden would have to expand to 30,000.

In Football, Ohio would have to expand to 40,000 seats in the Big East.....we could definetly get 40k in the house for West Virginia and Louisville and the ability to host bigger opponents in a BCS conference.....overall average about 30k to start.

In Basketball, Ohio would sell out the Convo for Cincinnati and Louisville and overall average 10,000..........we can do that if we average 7500 in the MAC.

We draw more than Miami now and with more potential to draw bigger crowds.
08-22-2006 06:01 PM
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Step 1 is to win big games and fill the trophy case with MAC titles and Bowls.

Step 2 is to sell out Peden every game.

Step 3 is to get bigger name team to play in Peden.

Step 4 is to become a dominating program in football and basketball while leading the MAC in GSR.

Step 5 is to raise a pile of money to expand the stadium and add suites that put us on par with UC and Louisville facilities.

Step 6 Make a BCS run with an unbeaten season and then stay at that level. Make BE want Ohio over UCF, Memphis, ECU, Marshall.
10-27-2006 09:19 AM
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I'll say it right now: I don't want to go to the Big East. If we're moving conferences, I want to join a new one.
10-27-2006 04:48 PM
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OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:Step 5 is to raise a pile of money to expand the stadium and add suites that put us on par with UC and Louisville facilities.

Step 6 Make a BCS run with an unbeaten season and then stay at that level. Make BE want Ohio over UCF, Memphis, ECU, Marshall.

Right there are the kickers........We can't seriously consider a move to the Big East until we have at least a 35,000 seat stadium + an appearance in a BCS bowl.

We are really going to have to be better than WVU, Louisville, and Rutgers before the Big East will feel like they need Ohio to keep their status among the top conferences.

The same could be said for UCF, East Carolina, Memphis ect.....they must play their way in.
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OZoner Wrote:I'll say it right now: I don't want to go to the Big East. If we're moving conferences, I want to join a new one.

I feel what you are saying.

The MAC is a good "fit" for Ohio, geographically, budget, traditions......its just that its not as good as what it could potentially be, particularly in college basketball where league strength is a determinant for your post season opportunities.

Ohio has enough to offer that it should be in a top 10 football and a top 10 basketball conference.

The football conferene is pretty much there usually around 8-10 in the computer polls. The basketball conference is like 11-15, which I find unacceptable. We deserve far better with our fan following for basketball.
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As someone who hasn't missed a home contest in quite a while, I would be very sad if we left the MAC in basketball. Sure, the level of competition goes up, but I just don't see myself getting as geeked for, say, Seton Hall as I would Akron. We don't have to go anywhere to do it in basketball. Gonzaga did it. Cincinnati did it (though they're obviously in the BE now). In basketball, the opportunities are there for breaking through. I want to keep the great rivalries we have. I don't want to sell out the soul of Ohio basketball. It's not worth it to me.
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Why would the BE want Ohio? I love OU to death but we offer them nothing. Athens is in the middle of nowhere and does not give them any type of market that is valuable. The reason that you hear Memphis and/or UCF is that they are from large markets that can support 40,000 fans per football game or 15,000 fans at a basketball game. Memphis and Orlando offer sizable TV markets. It's why the BE was willing to take on a relative newcomer to the big stage in South Florida. They bring Tampa/St. Pete to the discussion.

OU has a big program facility for basketball and Peden could be expanded for football but there is nothing that can be done to make Athens a big market. To make the jump OU would have to have 100% attendance from a 50 mile radius. Toledo, Akron, Kent St, Miami, EMU or Buffalo have a much better shot at going to a BCS conference than Ohio just based on the surrounding population.

That's not to say that a MAC school can't become a Gonzaga-type success. Just that we will never have the fan support to make ourselves attractive to the BCS boys.
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OUVan Wrote:That's not to say that a MAC school can't become a Gonzaga-type success. Just that we will never have the fan support to make ourselves attractive to the BCS boys.

I agree with what you are saying here. Because of our market limitations, OU would have to be drawing 50-60k in football to appeal to the Big East and that is just not going to happen.

I think the MAC football wise can offer us just as much as the Big East.......OU-Akron was playing on ESPNU the same night WVU-Pitt was playing on ESPN.......next year the way the TV agreement would be structured, with losing records BG-Miami would be bumped down to ESPNU while OU-Akron would have been upgraded to ESPN.....I am not so hot on Thursday night fooball and second tier bowl games, but that is what the Big East pretty much is outside of an automatic BCS bid.
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OZoner Wrote:As someone who hasn't missed a home contest in quite a while, I would be very sad if we left the MAC in basketball. Sure, the level of competition goes up, but I just don't see myself getting as geeked for, say, Seton Hall as I would Akron. We don't have to go anywhere to do it in basketball.

From the rivalry standpoint, I can agree that the MAC provides us with a lot compared with the average Big East matchup.

I still would like to see Ohio play in a more TV friendly BB league....the way the MAC is currently configured makes it difficult to build a program here......Gonzaga has an easier road in the WCC as it has only 8 schools making it easier for 1 program to carry an entire league.

I like the idea of doing a MAC-12

West
Saint Louis*
Northern Ill.
Western Mich.
Ball St.
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Toledo

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Buffalo
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Here is what this league would do.....

1.Effectively destroy the A-10. Dayton and Xavier would probably flee to the MVC. The MAC-12 would assume the A-10's basketball TV contract

2.In the media markets of St.Louis, Chicago, Indianapolis, Detroit, Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland, Buffalo, Philadelphia, Washington, DC, Boston, NYC.......very attractive for Fox regional packages.

3.In football, this group would be able to keep the current 3 bowls of the MAC with only 9 schools competing for them. The SOS for the league would be better and it will be easier to get into a BCS game without having to go through a MACC.

4.Academic image of the league would be improved with the addition of George Washington and Saint Louis.
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