RobertN Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

Roudebush Rocket Wrote:

lakelandQBdad Wrote:I 'm his Dad and I have been following the MAC and watching all the Teams grow into a very competative football conference. I think that the next couple of years will be great for the MAC and We are proud to be a part of it. We wish all the MAC good luck in the future.

Hey Mr. Lowe, what made Billy decide to commit to a directional school as opposed to say...a real one?


Just kidding. That's not a knock on your son, I just like messing around with the puppies about their directional school. ;-)

BTW, good luck to your son. There is really quite a pool of decent young QB talent in Dekalb.

Just imagine if UT changed their name to North-South Toledo State.

Or Crackledo. Another possibility Raceriotledo.

That would be like calling NIU one of these:

Corn Field University
BFE University
Population 200 University


I am sure you understand that the City of Toledo and the University of Toledo are two different things, right?

Wow. I was just joking around guys. No need to get into arguments over it. ;-)

Also, FWIW, the best recruiting coverage of MAC schools can be found at ohiovarsity's site. Recruiting really isn't about which team ends up being ranked higher after signing day anyway. If you want great stories and up-to-date recruiting information, check out Rivals.

Thanks for the plug RR...but seriously, part of the problem with the 0-3 star ranked kids is that not much info is out there.

Say for instance Robert Rose, who had only been playing football for a couple of years, decided as a junior that he'd commit to Toledo.

He'd have been given a 2-star rating and then forgotten about.

Rivals.com does not have a Toledo site, so nobody would be following up with Robert Rose to find out if he had any other offers, etc.

So, he may have picked up offers from Ohio State, Michigan, etc. but since no Toledo publisher exists, it may never have come out that he had the big offers.

In this scenario, obviously word would have broken that he picked up the big offers. But take a guy like Levi George. Not in anyone's database until recently.

Thus, he has no ranking, no film to review, no personal evaluations, nothing. That certainly skews the rankings.

Getting information out is the key...Rivals.com needs film to evaluate and they need to know what schools offer, etc.

Until the MAC has publisher sites across the Internet (not just speaking of Rivals...but Scout, ESPN, etc.) the rankings will always be basic assumptions.

Rivals does the best job by far in terms of ranking individual players (although still biased to a degree against the MAC). However, their team rankings are very skewed, the formula makes zero sense.

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:Rivals does the best job by far in terms of ranking individual players (although still biased to a degree against the MAC). However, their team rankings are very skewed, the formula makes zero sense.

NIU...I'm not so sure that it's a bias against the MAC. The mid-majors in general just don't have the fan support of the BCS-type conferences.

Take a look around...Rivals, Scout, ESPN...you won't find much action in the mid-majors.

So, the efforts of the Rivals.com staff naturally tend to be based on the bigger schools. There just isn't much demand for guys being recruited to the Rice's and Kent's and San Jose State's.

I was very surprised to find this board...I thought I was the only person in the world who wanted to talk Kent sports.

rocketfootball Wrote:

RobertN Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

Roudebush Rocket Wrote:

lakelandQBdad Wrote:I 'm his Dad and I have been following the MAC and watching all the Teams grow into a very competative football conference. I think that the next couple of years will be great for the MAC and We are proud to be a part of it. We wish all the MAC good luck in the future.

Hey Mr. Lowe, what made Billy decide to commit to a directional school as opposed to say...a real one?


Just kidding. That's not a knock on your son, I just like messing around with the puppies about their directional school. ;-)

BTW, good luck to your son. There is really quite a pool of decent young QB talent in Dekalb.

Just imagine if UT changed their name to North-South Toledo State.

Or Crackledo. Another possibility Raceriotledo.

That would be like calling NIU one of these:

Corn Field University
BFE University
Population 200 University

Absolutely some of the lamest rips I have ever seen. I am embarrassed for you. :withstupid:

prairiedawg Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

RobertN Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

Roudebush Rocket Wrote:

lakelandQBdad Wrote:I 'm his Dad and I have been following the MAC and watching all the Teams grow into a very competative football conference. I think that the next couple of years will be great for the MAC and We are proud to be a part of it. We wish all the MAC good luck in the future.

Hey Mr. Lowe, what made Billy decide to commit to a directional school as opposed to say...a real one?


Just kidding. That's not a knock on your son, I just like messing around with the puppies about their directional school. ;-)

BTW, good luck to your son. There is really quite a pool of decent young QB talent in Dekalb.

Just imagine if UT changed their name to North-South Toledo State.

Or Crackledo. Another possibility Raceriotledo.

That would be like calling NIU one of these:

Corn Field University
BFE University
Population 200 University

Absolutely some of the lamest rips I have ever seen. I am embarrassed for you. :withstupid:

I totally agree with you and you just made my point. The original Crackledo and Raceriotledo rips on UT were along the same lines at what I said and my point was to show how stupid it was. Thanks for proving it, unwillingly.

lakelandQBdad Wrote:HUSKIE POWER: Northern Illinois is closing out one of its best football recruiting years ever and is emerging as the class of the Mid-American Conference, says Chicago-based analyst Tom Lemming of CSTV. "They have beaten Big Ten schools for some kids,'' Lemming said. "They will sign players at every position, a lot of good athletes.'' On Wednesday, coach Joe Novak and recruiting coordinator Mike Sabock will sign a talented class headed by defensive backs Alex Kube of Cary-Grove and James Jeffries of Mount Carmel, defensive end Ed Jackson of Cahokia, offensive lineman Panan Tense of Fenwick, defensive lineman Chris Cooke of Homewood-Flossmoor and quarterback Billy Lowe, who led Lakeland, Fla., to the No. 1 ranking in the nation.

Hey Huskiedad. I enjoyed watching Billy at Castle Field, amongst 6000 + fans on 4 or 5 Friday nights. Think the Naughts will knock off those sissies from Cincy St. X next year? How is Castle's kid at QB? We know that Jamar and the Rainman will run wild.

So the Chicago area guy likes NIU and the Ohio area guy likes Toledo:


http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../601300352



"The verbal agreements UT garnered in the past week that stood out to Long were as follows: Bruce Frierson, a running back from Cleveland Glenville; Nate Cole, a defensive tackle from Trotwood Madison; Jared Dewalt, an offensive lineman from Lyndhurst Brush, and Levi George, an offensive lineman from Warren Harding.

"Toledo's impressive class just got more impressive," Long said.

"I will go this far, this is a class that I think in the end I would pick over several of the classes I've seen in the Big Ten Conference schools," Long said.


Duane Long is the recruiting expert for the state of Ohio for Scout.com.

rocketfootball Wrote:So the Chicago area guy likes NIU and the Ohio area guy likes Toledo:


http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../601300352



"The verbal agreements UT garnered in the past week that stood out to Long were as follows: Bruce Frierson, a running back from Cleveland Glenville; Nate Cole, a defensive tackle from Trotwood Madison; Jared Dewalt, an offensive lineman from Lyndhurst Brush, and Levi George, an offensive lineman from Warren Harding.

"Toledo's impressive class just got more impressive," Long said.

"I will go this far, this is a class that I think in the end I would pick over several of the classes I've seen in the Big Ten Conference schools," Long said.


Duane Long is the recruiting expert for the state of Ohio for Scout.com.

Obviously the Ohio guy is a complete clown. ;-)

LakelandRocket Wrote:[quote="lakelandQBdad"]HUSKIE POWER: Northern Illinois is closing out one of its best football recruiting years ever Hey Huskiedad. I enjoyed watching Billy at Castle Field, amongst 6000 + fans on 4 or 5 Friday nights. Think the Naughts will knock off those sissies from Cincy St. X next year? How is Castle's kid at QB? We know that Jamar and the Rainman will run wild.

I think with Lakelands backfield that it will be hard for any team to beat them. Castles Son has the ability to do enough at the QB position for them to win if he is QB this year. I hear that there is a new kid that came in from the Mid-west that can run the Bill Castles style offense. I guess we will have wait and see. I pick lakeland to beat Cincy by 20.

rocketfootball Wrote:So the Chicago area guy likes NIU and the Ohio area guy likes Toledo:


http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../601300352



"The verbal agreements UT garnered in the past week that stood out to Long were as follows: Bruce Frierson, a running back from Cleveland Glenville; Nate Cole, a defensive tackle from Trotwood Madison; Jared Dewalt, an offensive lineman from Lyndhurst Brush, and Levi George, an offensive lineman from Warren Harding.

"Toledo's impressive class just got more impressive," Long said.

"I will go this far, this is a class that I think in the end I would pick over several of the classes I've seen in the Big Ten Conference schools," Long said.


Duane Long is the recruiting expert for the state of Ohio for Scout.com.

This guy needs to not sniff glue. The Big Ten is having maybe it's best recruiting year ever overall, heck even Michigan State and Illinois, recent bottom feeders in the league, have VERY good classes.

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:So the Chicago area guy likes NIU and the Ohio area guy likes Toledo:


http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../601300352



"The verbal agreements UT garnered in the past week that stood out to Long were as follows: Bruce Frierson, a running back from Cleveland Glenville; Nate Cole, a defensive tackle from Trotwood Madison; Jared Dewalt, an offensive lineman from Lyndhurst Brush, and Levi George, an offensive lineman from Warren Harding.

"Toledo's impressive class just got more impressive," Long said.

"I will go this far, this is a class that I think in the end I would pick over several of the classes I've seen in the Big Ten Conference schools," Long said.


Duane Long is the recruiting expert for the state of Ohio for Scout.com.

This guy needs to not sniff glue. The Big Ten is having maybe it's best recruiting year ever overall, heck even Michigan State and Illinois, recent bottom feeders in the league, have VERY good classes.

He didn't say all Big Ten schools and when was Michigan State a recent bottom feeder in football?


I think this also shows that if you don't believe than it is understandable that everyone else doesn't believe Tom Lemming about NIU. ;-)

rocketfootball Wrote:

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:So the Chicago area guy likes NIU and the Ohio area guy likes Toledo:


http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../601300352



"The verbal agreements UT garnered in the past week that stood out to Long were as follows: Bruce Frierson, a running back from Cleveland Glenville; Nate Cole, a defensive tackle from Trotwood Madison; Jared Dewalt, an offensive lineman from Lyndhurst Brush, and Levi George, an offensive lineman from Warren Harding.

"Toledo's impressive class just got more impressive," Long said.

"I will go this far, this is a class that I think in the end I would pick over several of the classes I've seen in the Big Ten Conference schools," Long said.


Duane Long is the recruiting expert for the state of Ohio for Scout.com.

This guy needs to not sniff glue. The Big Ten is having maybe it's best recruiting year ever overall, heck even Michigan State and Illinois, recent bottom feeders in the league, have VERY good classes.

He didn't say all Big Ten schools and when was Michigan State a recent bottom feeder in football?


I think this also shows that if you don't believe than it is understandable that everyone else doesn't believe Tom Lemming about NIU. ;-)

Umm Michigan State hasn't done anything noteworthy in football since Saban left, so I'd call that a bottom feeder (although not nearly at the level of Illinois). And there is a difference between saying somebody has the best MAC class with a player or two Big Ten schools wanted, and saying something as obnoxious as Toledo has a class as good as most Big 10 teams.

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:So the Chicago area guy likes NIU and the Ohio area guy likes Toledo:


http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../601300352



"The verbal agreements UT garnered in the past week that stood out to Long were as follows: Bruce Frierson, a running back from Cleveland Glenville; Nate Cole, a defensive tackle from Trotwood Madison; Jared Dewalt, an offensive lineman from Lyndhurst Brush, and Levi George, an offensive lineman from Warren Harding.

"Toledo's impressive class just got more impressive," Long said.

"I will go this far, this is a class that I think in the end I would pick over several of the classes I've seen in the Big Ten Conference schools," Long said.


Duane Long is the recruiting expert for the state of Ohio for Scout.com.

This guy needs to not sniff glue. The Big Ten is having maybe it's best recruiting year ever overall, heck even Michigan State and Illinois, recent bottom feeders in the league, have VERY good classes.

He didn't say all Big Ten schools and when was Michigan State a recent bottom feeder in football?


I think this also shows that if you don't believe than it is understandable that everyone else doesn't believe Tom Lemming about NIU. ;-)

Umm Michigan State hasn't done anything noteworthy in football since Saban left, so I'd call that a bottom feeder (although not nearly at the level of Illinois). And there is a difference between saying somebody has the best MAC class with a player or two Big Ten schools wanted, and saying something as obnoxious as Toledo has a class as good as most Big 10 teams.

Read the article. He didn't say most, he said several. And nearly every player currently on the UT commit list had offers from BCS schools.


Michigan State is 57-49 since 1997. A team that is 8 games above .500 is not a bottom feeder. That is more of a "middle of the pack" team, but not a bottom feeder. They have had 5 winning seasons and 2 .500 seasons in the last 11 years. That is not bottom feeder. They have played in 3 bowl games in the last 7 years and were one win away from going to a bowl game in each of the last 2 years. That is not the stats of a bottom feeder.

rocketfootball Wrote:

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:So the Chicago area guy likes NIU and the Ohio area guy likes Toledo:


http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../601300352



"The verbal agreements UT garnered in the past week that stood out to Long were as follows: Bruce Frierson, a running back from Cleveland Glenville; Nate Cole, a defensive tackle from Trotwood Madison; Jared Dewalt, an offensive lineman from Lyndhurst Brush, and Levi George, an offensive lineman from Warren Harding.

"Toledo's impressive class just got more impressive," Long said.

"I will go this far, this is a class that I think in the end I would pick over several of the classes I've seen in the Big Ten Conference schools," Long said.


Duane Long is the recruiting expert for the state of Ohio for Scout.com.

This guy needs to not sniff glue. The Big Ten is having maybe it's best recruiting year ever overall, heck even Michigan State and Illinois, recent bottom feeders in the league, have VERY good classes.

He didn't say all Big Ten schools and when was Michigan State a recent bottom feeder in football?


I think this also shows that if you don't believe than it is understandable that everyone else doesn't believe Tom Lemming about NIU. ;-)

Umm Michigan State hasn't done anything noteworthy in football since Saban left, so I'd call that a bottom feeder (although not nearly at the level of Illinois). And there is a difference between saying somebody has the best MAC class with a player or two Big Ten schools wanted, and saying something as obnoxious as Toledo has a class as good as most Big 10 teams.

Read the article. He didn't say most, he said several. And nearly every player currently on the UT commit list had offers from BCS schools.


Michigan State is 57-49 since 1997. A team that is 8 games above .500 is not a bottom feeder. That is more of a "middle of the pack" team, but not a bottom feeder. They have had 5 winning seasons and 2 .500 seasons in the last 11 years. That is not bottom feeder. They have played in 3 bowl games in the last 7 years and were one win away from going to a bowl game in each of the last 2 years. That is not the stats of a bottom feeder.

Well several=most in an 11 team league, however I see your point on Michigan State. I'm just saying the ignorance of saying Toledo has a better class than "several" big ten teams is incredible.

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:So the Chicago area guy likes NIU and the Ohio area guy likes Toledo:


http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../601300352



"The verbal agreements UT garnered in the past week that stood out to Long were as follows: Bruce Frierson, a running back from Cleveland Glenville; Nate Cole, a defensive tackle from Trotwood Madison; Jared Dewalt, an offensive lineman from Lyndhurst Brush, and Levi George, an offensive lineman from Warren Harding.

"Toledo's impressive class just got more impressive," Long said.

"I will go this far, this is a class that I think in the end I would pick over several of the classes I've seen in the Big Ten Conference schools," Long said.


Duane Long is the recruiting expert for the state of Ohio for Scout.com.

This guy needs to not sniff glue. The Big Ten is having maybe it's best recruiting year ever overall, heck even Michigan State and Illinois, recent bottom feeders in the league, have VERY good classes.

He didn't say all Big Ten schools and when was Michigan State a recent bottom feeder in football?


I think this also shows that if you don't believe than it is understandable that everyone else doesn't believe Tom Lemming about NIU. ;-)

Umm Michigan State hasn't done anything noteworthy in football since Saban left, so I'd call that a bottom feeder (although not nearly at the level of Illinois). And there is a difference between saying somebody has the best MAC class with a player or two Big Ten schools wanted, and saying something as obnoxious as Toledo has a class as good as most Big 10 teams.

Read the article. He didn't say most, he said several. And nearly every player currently on the UT commit list had offers from BCS schools.


Michigan State is 57-49 since 1997. A team that is 8 games above .500 is not a bottom feeder. That is more of a "middle of the pack" team, but not a bottom feeder. They have had 5 winning seasons and 2 .500 seasons in the last 11 years. That is not bottom feeder. They have played in 3 bowl games in the last 7 years and were one win away from going to a bowl game in each of the last 2 years. That is not the stats of a bottom feeder.

Well several=most in an 11 team league, however I see your point on Michigan State. I'm just saying the ignorance of saying Toledo has a better class than "several" big ten teams is incredible.

Since he is impartial to a MAC school, perhaps his statement is close to reliable.

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

NIUHuskies86 Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:So the Chicago area guy likes NIU and the Ohio area guy likes Toledo:


http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../601300352



"The verbal agreements UT garnered in the past week that stood out to Long were as follows: Bruce Frierson, a running back from Cleveland Glenville; Nate Cole, a defensive tackle from Trotwood Madison; Jared Dewalt, an offensive lineman from Lyndhurst Brush, and Levi George, an offensive lineman from Warren Harding.

"Toledo's impressive class just got more impressive," Long said.

"I will go this far, this is a class that I think in the end I would pick over several of the classes I've seen in the Big Ten Conference schools," Long said.


Duane Long is the recruiting expert for the state of Ohio for Scout.com.

This guy needs to not sniff glue. The Big Ten is having maybe it's best recruiting year ever overall, heck even Michigan State and Illinois, recent bottom feeders in the league, have VERY good classes.

He didn't say all Big Ten schools and when was Michigan State a recent bottom feeder in football?


I think this also shows that if you don't believe than it is understandable that everyone else doesn't believe Tom Lemming about NIU. ;-)

Umm Michigan State hasn't done anything noteworthy in football since Saban left, so I'd call that a bottom feeder (although not nearly at the level of Illinois). And there is a difference between saying somebody has the best MAC class with a player or two Big Ten schools wanted, and saying something as obnoxious as Toledo has a class as good as most Big 10 teams.

Read the article. He didn't say most, he said several. And nearly every player currently on the UT commit list had offers from BCS schools.


Michigan State is 57-49 since 1997. A team that is 8 games above .500 is not a bottom feeder. That is more of a "middle of the pack" team, but not a bottom feeder. They have had 5 winning seasons and 2 .500 seasons in the last 11 years. That is not bottom feeder. They have played in 3 bowl games in the last 7 years and were one win away from going to a bowl game in each of the last 2 years. That is not the stats of a bottom feeder.

Well several=most in an 11 team league, however I see your point on Michigan State. I'm just saying the ignorance of saying Toledo has a better class than "several" big ten teams is incredible.

I guess it depends on how you interpret it. I don't know exactly what he meant by several, but I normally use this standard myself:

one = 1
couple = 2
few = 3 or 4
several = 5 or 6
most = 7 or 8
almost all = 9 or 10
all = 11


Again, this is the standard I normally use but who knows how many he means. He could mean 4 or 5.......or he could even mean 7 or 8 (I highly doubt it though).

Congratulations on your no-prize winning victory.

HuskieDan Wrote:Congratulations on your no-prize winning victory.

Did somebody win something? BTW, is NIU ever going to win the MAC again? 1983 was a long time ago.