niu51 Wrote:When Toledo beat Penn State however many years back, that seemed to put Toledo on the football map. Since that time, NIU has beaten Alabama, Iowa State, Maryland and a then undeafeated BGSU team. NIU is in a media market many times the size of any other MAC team. NIU also has a larger student population than many if not all MAC schools.

That is why people even outside of Toledo Ohio know of NIU. :ownd:

Well, I guess that today's bowl picks just showed which team has a stronger recognition or is more sought after. :angel:

Though there is an extremely strong Ohio bias in this conference, it must stretch down to Alabama too. :D

BobL Wrote:

TJRocket Wrote:

G-FORCE Wrote:

TJRocket Wrote:

G-FORCE Wrote:So why again do you deserve to go to a bowl over us again?

because most people don't think of Toledo as a 1AA school like they do with NIU.

Most people think we are 1AA? That is news to me.

Actually most people have never even heard of NIU, and outside of the MAC if someone hears the name NIU they think 1AA. Im sorry you had to hear it from me G, normally I try to shelter you from such cold hard facts.

I have had enough with you Toledo fans...you were gracious losers for one week, then back to the same old arogant BS.

The fact is MORE people would know NIU over Toledo for the following:

NIU has had 2 top ten Heisman vote getters, one finishing 6.
NIU had USA Today sports cover in 2003.
NIU had Sports page cover n the NY Times in 2003.
College Game Day was at an NIU game in 2003.
NIU had top ten BCS ranking in 2003.
EDIT Feature article in Sports Illustrated in 2003.
Jets, Eagles, and Colts each have an NIU alum starting.(Don't even bring up Chester Taylor, he is a back-up to a drug dealing, has-been running back, Michael Turner Is the back-up to the NFL's top running back.)
NIU is now on a radio station that is heard all over the midwest and has a almost every home game televised in the Chicago Market.

Since co-champs is now a big deal to Toledo, lets not forget NIU has been MAC co-champs 3 of the last 4 years.

No way Toledo should go to a bowl...none!!!

Now the fact is Toledo will go to a bowl. This was the reason I wanted BG to spank Toledo.

If you do go to a bowl you will get blown out as you do every time you have faced any OOC opponent the last 2 years that was at least medicore.

Have fun in Alabama...oh by the way...the whole state of Alabama sure knows who NIU is and probably never heard of the University of Toledo.

UT had two top ten in the Heisman voting:
Chuck Ealey#8.Gene Swick#10.Swick was First Team All American@QB.If you want to get a good perspective of MAC football, go to the MAC website and look at "the Greatest Moments in MAC Football History".
NIU has never finished as a the top ranked team in any of the polls.
UT has:
AP:
1970 #12
1971 #14
1995 #24
2001 #23

UPI:
1970 #17
1971 #13

USA Today:
1995 #24
2001 #24

niu51 Wrote:When Toledo beat Penn State however many years back, that seemed to put Toledo on the football map. Since that time, NIU has beaten Alabama, Iowa State, Maryland and a then undeafeated BGSU team. NIU is in a media market many times the size of any other MAC team. NIU also has a larger student population than many if not all MAC schools.

That is why people even outside of Toledo Ohio know of NIU. :ownd:

Since that win over Penn State, Toledo whipped MAC Champion Marshall 42-0 on TV. Toledo smashed Minnesota 38-7 in 2001. Toledo beat a ranked Marshall on nationla TV in the 2001 MACC Game. Toledo beat a ranked Pittsburgh team in 2003. We then beat a ranked Northern Illinois team 49-30 on national TV in 2003. Toledo is 3-3 against ranked opponents since 2001.

Going back further, Toledo played in the 1995 Las Vegas Bowl and won the first ever overtime game in DI-A football. Toledo played in two California Bowls back in the 80's beating a ranked team in the '81 California Bowl.


When I have travelled different places over the last few years and wear my Rocket gear, I get comments about Toledo and at least one of those memories I mentioned above. Doesn't matter if it is Atlanta, Orlando, Boston, Philadelphia, Las Vegas, or even somewhere in California.


People outside of the midwest know about Toledo.


Now to be fair, they also know about Northern Illinois, Bowling Green, and Miami. But the point is that it drives me nuts when people post crap about no one outside of MAC country knowing anything about one of what is known perenially as the top four MAC schools or if someone posts something saying that their school is more known nationally then one of the other 3 schools in that list of four MAC schools because I know that poster is wrong based on what I have found through travelling over the last few years.

Even though it happened way back in 2000, I still have people see me with a UT shirt on and come up and say "Hey, I saw that game a few years ago when you guys kicked the crap out of Penn State. That was awesome!"

I've also had people say something good about a game that pitted two MAC teams. I was up in New Hampshire last winter and a guy saw my UT sweatshirt I was wearing and said that he watched the UT/BG game (it was played about 2 months earlier) and talked about how it was such a great exciting game and that both team's quarterbacks were really good.

Quote:You Ohio guys are in your own little fantasy world

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And its a lovely place.

Add to that NIU beating MD (#2 ranked in the ACC) and Iowa St in 03. NIU is known as a tough opponent and a rising program in the East, South and Midwest.

NIU also led the conference in attendance the past 2 seasons. Deal with it.

UT is still known as "the Program" for football in the MAC.Talk about fantasy worlds-two losses to Akron and a homeloss to Ball State 31-17.

Boca Rocket Wrote:UT is still known as "the Program" for football in the MAC.Talk about fantasy worlds-two losses to Akron and a homeloss to Ball State 31-17.

Okay and you lost at home to the team that lost to Akron twice and Ball State at home.

Whats your point?

Btw, don't knock Akron. They are the MAC Champs.

Not NIU, Toledo, BGSU, or Miami, Akron is.

Quote: No way Toledo should go to a bowl...none!!!

Now the fact is Toledo will go to a bowl. This was the reason I wanted BG to spank Toledo.

If you do go to a bowl you will get blown out as you do every time you have faced any OOC opponent the last 2 years that was at least medicore. ----------------------Wrong again.

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Fear the ROOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!