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Does anyone know what Trevor Huffman is doing. I realize he wasn't drafted, but I thought he would be in some NBA camp over the summer. If anyone knows let me know. I think he would be a solid NBA backup.

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I understand that he is playing in the Cleveland area, possibly Lorain. Do not know how he is doing. I would expect him to give Europe a try.
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Interesting article by TH from the glory days. Didn't realize he took GW's leaving to Rutgers so hard.
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(03-23-2019 02:16 PM)Albert Flasher Wrote:  Interesting article by TH from the glory days. Didn't realize he took GW's leaving to Rutgers so hard.

Accompanying that article is a podcast in which Brian Windhorst talks about covering the Elite Eight team.

Also, here's an interesting two-part interview with Trevor done by Brent Klassen, who played for BG at the same time as Huffman.

Episode 12 – Trevor Huffman – Pt. 1

Episode 12 – Trevor Huffman – Pt. 2
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Yeah, I remember it was covered in the papers very well how some took Waters going to Rutgers hard, especially Huffman and Perry. Perry opted out of his final year of eligibility because of that. It's hard to believe that by 2001 a college athlete could be that naïve. Virtually NO coaches really care about anything except landing a bigger contract and/or a gig at a "bigger" program. I'm sure Waters was a good man and a religious man, compared to the typical college coach, but he was still just a college coach. The only coaches a fan doesn't have to worry about losing are those too old or with too much baggage to get meaningful offers.

Plus keep in mind that we "lost " Waters and Perry, but gained Heath and Gates. No Heath, no Gates. We made out on that deal. No way does KSU have the 2001/02 season without Gates. They would have had a heck of a year, sure, but not as good a record or an Elite Eight spot.
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Perry was good at flopping.
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Something that's important to remember when talking about the best MAC team ever. That Kent team wasn't ranked all year because of some early season struggles adjusting to a new coach and fitting in the new pieces. Comparing that to this year's Buffalo team they were basically the same group that ended last season. Had Kent had Gates the year before and not had a coaching change I'd be willing to bet the 01-02 team would've been ranked all year too. Of course Buffalo is about 15 minutes away from definitively ending that debate.
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Agree, Anti-Zip. It took a good while for the coaching transition to click. Heath made them run more set plays, made them gamble less on defense, and stressed rebounding much more. Huffman struggled a bit with the changes, and so did Shaw. Maybe others, but I can't recall. Perry seemed like a shaky recruit at first, but developed into a nice player. The only thing is that Waters could never have brought in Gates. It was the assistant Heath brought in, Oronde Taliaferro, who had the "in" with Gates.
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That ‘02 team beat three straight ranked teams, two in the top ten and ended the season ranked 11/12. UB had a great season, but wasn’t 17-1, didn’t beat anyone who is ranked, and may not end the season ranked at all. There’s really not much of a comparison.
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No comparison. Buffalo had a great season, but is nowhere near the 2001/02 Kent State team. I wouldn't even place them second during my many years following the MAC.
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(03-24-2019 08:36 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  No comparison. Buffalo had a great season, but is nowhere near the 2001/02 Kent State team. I wouldn't even place them second during my many years following the MAC.


Kent the clear No. 1 ..

Buffalo .... Ball State w/Kidd-McCurdy .... EMU w/Kennedy and Thomas twins

I would put those three in conversation for No. 2 ... understanding UB did not get to S16 while the others did ... but that is arguably harder to do now than then...
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Also Cleveland, and I'm showing my age, warranting consideration are, and just to name three, the 1963/64 "elite 8" Ohio University team, the 1961/62 Bowling Green team that featured two solid long-time NBA players in Howard "Butch" Komives and Nate Thurmond, and the 1974-75 CMU team that featured THREE long-time NBA players in Dan Roundtree, Ben Poquette and Jim McElroy.
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(03-25-2019 09:48 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  Also Cleveland, and I'm showing my age, warranting consideration are, and just to name three, the 1963/64 "elite 8" Ohio University team, the 1961/62 Bowling Green team that featured two solid long-time NBA players in Howard "Butch" Komives and Nate Thurmond, and the 1974-75 CMU team that featured THREE long-time NBA players in Dan Roundtree, Ben Poquette and Jim McElroy.

Only saw the Roundtree/Poquette team so argument can be made for them (Actually, that baseline tandem would be ideal in today's college game!!!)...

as for the rest, I say the college game prior to the mid-70s was nowhere near what it is today, nor was the scheduling/travel or relative pressure to make the NCAA Tournament - which had a much smaller field in those days - a season-long grind, either ... not to mention, no MAC Tournament to go through w/ 1-bid league hanging over their heads.

Definitely great teams on their own merit ... but based on today's NBA, for example I can't see Komives, Mix, McElroy anywhere near a NBA roster, while a guy like Poquette (w/his size and outside shot) would arguably be more valuable now than then ...
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Agreed. Back before and into the late 60’s, only regular season conference champs (this before most conferences had tournaments) went to the tourney, leaving some of the best teams in the country to go to the NIT, which often had a stronger field than the NCAA. In the NCAA, the top teams basically got a bye to the Sweet 16 with a field of 21-25.
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(03-25-2019 10:23 AM)cleveland Wrote:  
(03-25-2019 09:48 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  Also Cleveland, and I'm showing my age, warranting consideration are, and just to name three, the 1963/64 "elite 8" Ohio University team, the 1961/62 Bowling Green team that featured two solid long-time NBA players in Howard "Butch" Komives and Nate Thurmond, and the 1974-75 CMU team that featured THREE long-time NBA players in Dan Roundtree, Ben Poquette and Jim McElroy.

Only saw the Roundtree/Poquette team so argument can be made for them (Actually, that baseline tandem would be ideal in today's college game!!!)...

as for the rest, I say the college game prior to the mid-70s was nowhere near what it is today, nor was the scheduling/travel or relative pressure to make the NCAA Tournament - which had a much smaller field in those days - a season-long grind, either ... not to mention, no MAC Tournament to go through w/ 1-bid league hanging over their heads.

Definitely great teams on their own merit ... but based on today's NBA, for example I can't see Komives, Mix, McElroy anywhere near a NBA roster, while a guy like Poquette (w/his size and outside shot) would arguably be more valuable now than then ...

Don’t forget there were only about 170 D1 programs in the early 60’s so 25 NCAA bids wasn’t that out of line. (15% vs. 20%). Also players in that era could only play the way the coaches wanted them to play. A big who shot from 20’ would have been sitting in a heartbeat. Those players would be fine in today’s game with today’s coaches and training techniques. Also other than the ACC there were no one bid tournaments but having to win the regular season was no walk in the park either. All Conferences were one bid leagues. It’s tough to compare eras. No doubt about that. But the best players in different eras probably are about equal as a group.
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Agree, Burden. I believe you can only compare teams and players in the context of their own time. The greatest difficulty would come in football. Today's players are much, much bigger. They are faster and for many reasons, stronger. If you could transport the 1964 Browns in a time machine to today, I'm sure every NFL team would overpower them. But, the 1964 Browns played in 1964, and in 1964 they were NFL champions. They were a great team. I'd hate to think that 30 years from now people may be saying that the 2001/02 Kent team couldn't compete against the 2049 MAC champion.
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(03-25-2019 03:19 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  Agree, Burden. I believe you can only compare teams and players in the context of their own time. The greatest difficulty would come in football. Today's players are much, much bigger. They are faster and for many reasons, stronger. If you could transport the 1964 Browns in a time machine to today, I'm sure every NFL team would overpower them. But, the 1964 Browns played in 1964, and in 1964 they were NFL champions. They were a great team. I'd hate to think that 30 years from now people may be saying that the 2001/02 Kent team couldn't compete against the 2049 MAC champion.

Let’s hope there is a 2049 MAC champion.
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(03-25-2019 11:51 AM)axeme Wrote:  Agreed. Back before and into the late 60’s, only regular season conference champs (this before most conferences had tournaments) went to the tourney, leaving some of the best teams in the country to go to the NIT, which often had a stronger field than the NCAA. In the NCAA, the top teams basically got a bye to the Sweet 16 with a field of 21-25.

Actually until the 60’s teams would turndown NCAA bids (even regular season champions) to go to the NIT. It had more prestige. There’s no doubt it was an easier path for teams to make the sweet sixteen (0 or 1 win) or elite 8. How things changed.
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(03-25-2019 11:51 AM)axeme Wrote:  Agreed. Back before and into the late 60’s, only regular season conference champs (this before most conferences had tournaments) went to the tourney, leaving some of the best teams in the country to go to the NIT, which often had a stronger field than the NCAA. In the NCAA, the top teams basically got a bye to the Sweet 16 with a field of 21-25.

Actually until the 60’s teams would turndown NCAA bids (even regular season champions) to go to the NIT. It had more prestige. There’s no doubt it was an easier path for teams to make the sweet sixteen (0 or 1 win) or elite 8. How things changed.
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Burden, you are right about the NIT. It took quite a while for the NCAA tournament to really catch on. I believe the last team to choose the NIT over the NCAA was Marquette in 1970, because they were angry over which regional they were placed in. Because of that, the NCAA barred teams that chose not to play in the NCAA from playing in another tournament. Lawsuits followed and I'm not sure how that ultimately played out, but it's moot because no team would decline an NCAA bid now. For a long time the NIT was a 16 team field with every game at Madison Square Garden. NYC was the mecca of college basketball at one time. Not anymore. I've been following college basketball since the mid-1950's and I could write a book about the changes in the sport since then, like the whole "mid-major" thing. That whole concept didn't really begin until the late 1970's. Teams now considered mid-major used to routinely attempt to recruit top players (now called 5 star), and sometimes succeeded. Not so much now. Really "money" has been the difference,[/b]
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