about...all the could of should of and would of's...BC came from a BCS conf that in all likelyhood will produce the national champion...take a look around guys this is the MAC that is being cussed and discussed..not the Big East , SEC, ACC, PAC 10, Big 10....its the MAC....a one or two team conference...about a half step in front of 1-AA in some cases....so temper the responses accordingly :rolleyes:

In the last 10-15 years, you can count the number of BCS conference bowl teams that the MAC has beaten (regular season games) on no more than your two hands - it's just the facts. Like it or not, Marshall has not contributed any more to that legacy in the last 6 years than any other team in the MAC. You may think that Joe Blow Florida or Nebraska fan can only name Marshall from the MAC when asked, but that doesn't mean that those with a clue don't realize the MAC plays some very good football - after all, the jokers on ESPN both predicted a UT win over BC and that moron Trev Alberts actually said before the game that UT had the better athletes. IMO, while moronic, that tells me that at least some of the national football media knows who the MAC is and knows that the MAC is not a bunch of chumps.

Unfortunately, the MAC has to try and earn respect in every game against better teams with larger budgets and larger followings. Really, if we win those games, it should be lauded even greater than it usually is, but for some reason it is largely scoffed off as the BCS team having a lousy day.

Fact - Miami beat UNC this year when UNC had something like 7 turnovers. Fact - NIU beat Wake despite a 4-0 turnover disadvantage and nearly beat Wisconsin despite a 4-1 turnover disadvantage. The point? MAC teams often need help in beating BCS teams, yet we are beginning to beat BCS teams without that help - this shows that our stature is growing, albeit at a slow rate considering we didn't close many of those upset bids this year (the gap is narrowing - we kicked UW's ******, but 3 of those turnovers cost us at least 17 points and the win).

Marshall fans - you have an excellent program that often does the MAC proud on the field (not always off the field). But simply winning this conference is never enough for the members of the conference - it may be all of ours' goal, but showing some BCS teams that we play damn good football is always important also. In this area, you are the same as most everyone else here, you win a few you lose a few. Thems the facts.

HuskieDan - about your signature....they WILL know him when he goes to the NFL....thats for sure

HuskieDan Wrote:Marshall fans - you have an excellent program that often does the MAC proud on the field (not always off the field). But simply winning this conference is never enough for the members of the conference - it may be all of ours' goal, but showing some BCS teams that we play damn good football is always important also. In this area, you are the same as most everyone else here, you win a few you lose a few. Thems the facts.

Great Point

Thanks for the facts, Huskiedan

Keep moving the goal posts or changing the criteriria, anything to make your self feel better. Regardless of what you or anyone else has to say to try and make your teams relevant, the FACTS are that MU is the Flagship of the MAC in football, you said it your self, in a round about way.

Selectively pick and choose what few things we haven't done to boost your ego, thats fine. We are the reason the MAC gets more media attention; two Heisman finalists, more players in the NFL then any other school, 5 straight bowl wins. We are the reason for a second bowl for the MAC.

MU fans are well aware of what we mean to the MAC, even if you guys choose to ignore it, or worse lothe us for it.

Fact man, keep fooling your self and the rest of the minions.

Speaking of fooling one's self, how do you root for a renegade program? I've always wondered that. I mean, really, it's one thing to fool yourself into believing that your conference mates are just jealous of your success, but it's entirely another to believe that jealousy motivates the NCAA to declare that your program institutionally cheats to gain a competitive advantage. How does that work?

i will pull a bill clinton, it depends on what the definitation of renegade is.

if you mean coming into the mac and taking over, its easy to root for them. if you mean renegade in that your teams can't beat them on the field so you have to sound childish with your you cheat comments, it is still easy.

sorry for the no caps, its hard holding a baby and replying to a baby.

I'll try to simplify it for you. Renegade as in playing by their own rules. Ignoring the rules set by the governing body.

That would, indeed, be the definition. So, care to actually answer the question now? Or would someone who calls himself "Herdon" want to try and call someone else juvenile again, instead?

Just weighing in on the start of this topic:

Marshall does win football games and alot of championships. They do need to win some of the big games against BCS teams too. Most MAC schools have beaten Big Ten teams. Not sure if Marshall has, but I don't think so....I really wish they would have beat MSU a few years ago.

Not to sound like I am just bragging about Toledo, but we were the first MAC school to host a Big Ten team and the first to beat one at home. We were also the first MAC school to win 2 straight games against a Big Ten opponent.

BG has defeated Big Ten, Big 12, and Big East schools in the last few years. Miami has always done a great job in pulling off victories against teams from the Big East, SEC, and ACC. UCF beat Alabama a few years back and they are now a MAC school.

This conference is not a 1 or 2 team conference. It is better than people give them credit for. Toledo losing to BC did not take away from this conference's momentum. If we would have won it would have raised a few more eyebrows, but it didn't take away.

Next year the MAC has a really good chance to continue the momentum with some huge games. And it isn't always about winning. BG plays Ohio State. If BG only loses by 10 points or less, it will be noticed by some people out there. Toledo gets their chance for revenge on the Big East with Pittsburgh at home and a game at Syracuse. Those will be 2 tough games, but a win or 2 will do wonders for this conference. And if Marshall plays their OOC games tough, this conference will be making a statement.



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Herdon Wrote:Thanks for the facts, Huskiedan

Keep moving the goal posts or changing the criteriria, anything to make your self feel better. Regardless of what you or anyone else has to say to try and make your teams relevant, the FACTS are that MU is the Flagship of the MAC in football, you said it your self, in a round about way.

Selectively pick and choose what few things we haven't done to boost your ego, thats fine. We are the reason the MAC gets more media attention; two Heisman finalists, more players in the NFL then any other school, 5 straight bowl wins. We are the reason for a second bowl for the MAC.

MU fans are well aware of what we mean to the MAC, even if you guys choose to ignore it, or worse lothe us for it.

Fact man, keep fooling your self and the rest of the minions.

Quick, everyon, raise your hand if you haven't gone into a season licking your chops at a chance to play the Big Ten, Big East, Big 12, SEC and give 'em a beatin'. It's part of the respect the MAC is always clamoring for, like it or not. Marshall fans were pumping their chests awfully loudly before getting spanked by VT - something about earning respect and positioning for a BCS bowl. Seems it IS important to even Marshall fans.

Marshall fans - you have the best fans support and probably the largest budget and best facilities in the MAC. Why should the rest of the MAC be able to even compete, much less occasionally beat you? After all, you have all the advantages, including being able to get up to 20 Prop 48 kids in school and pay them exorbinant amounts of money to sit around and stare at a broom. Meanwhile, little old schools like NIU and Ball State have run down offices and stadium, don't bend admittance requirements and require our kids to earn the money they make at the jobs they get. I mean really, how can anyone expect us to compete with you? After all, you have all the advantages, right? I mean, don't concern yourself with whether they're all legal or not.....

I'm sorry but, Toledo wasn't the first MAC team. to beat a BIG10 school.
Miami did it back in the 60's and don't forget BG's win over Purdue in 72
Miami has the best success against BIG10 teams

bgnormals Wrote:I'm sorry but, Toledo wasn't the first MAC team. to beat a BIG10 school.
Miami did it back in the 60's and don't forget BG's win over Purdue in 72
Miami has the best success against BIG10 teams

Oops. I meant at home. I guess that doesn't sound right in my post above....I will change it.

Toledo vs BIG10
1978 was first time they played BIG10
lost to Minnesota 38-12
First win was against Purdue in 1992 33-29
Toledo is 2-1 at home against BIG10 and have won two straight at home
1997 Purdue 36-22 and 2001 Minnesota 38-7
Won two straight 2000 at Penn St 24-6 and at home 2001 Minnesota 38-7
Record is 4wins and 9 losses
Miami played a BIG10 for the first time back in 1897
We will count only games played while Miami was part of the MAC
First win was in 1954 at Indiana 6-0
Miami has won two straight twice 1954 Indiana 6-0 and 1955 Northwestern 25-14 and 1966 Indiana 20-10, 1973 Purdue 24-19 and Miami tied Purdue in 1974 to run record to 2-0-1 against BIG10 in three straight games.
Michigan State beat Miami in 1994 10-45 but had to Forfeit that game.
Miami then beat Northwestern 30-28 the next season (1995) to make it three times that Miami had beaten BIG10 two straight times.
Miami's only home game was this season against Iowa which they lost 29-24
record against BIG10: 12 wins, 20 losses and 1 tie during the time that Miami has been part of the MAC.
I know that Rocketfootball meant home games against BIG10 teams and that post is correct. I just wanted to point out which team has the most success against BIG10 and to make the statement:
MIAMI IS THE TRUE FLAGSHIP TEAM OF THE MAC!!!
BG and Toledo are close 2nd.
Marshall has had recent success but they were bottom feeders when they were in the MAC the first time.

Quote:Keep moving the goal posts or changing the criteriria, anything to make your self feel better. Regardless of what you or anyone else has to say to try and make your teams relevant, the FACTS are that MU is the Flagship of the MAC in football, you said it your self, in a round about way.

And this had nothing to do with HuskieDan's point.

You can be a real @!#$%, you know that?