paladin1aa Wrote:Last time I checked, attractive conferences that had vacancies had no problem with prospects pounding on their door. Why are folks SOLICITING ?? This is a conference with a rude awaking coming!! CUSA will be a loser group with more defections,less stability ,more expenses and humble pie for dessert !! :rofl:

The MAC could be going down the same path in a few years.....

Toledo should get out while they can. A couple of off seasons, and wham you are a forgotten program. 20 years ago nobody would of thought TCU would be moving up over SMU.......its all about timing.

Marshall is going to make more in CUSA than the MAC, even with higher travel costs. Throw Toledo in there and travel costs decrease 15%, giving Marshall more revenue. Throw Miami.U in CUSA, and travel costs decrease another 15%.


CUSA at 16 schools:

East-
Marshall, ECU, Toledo, UCF, NIU, WMU, Ohio, MiamiU

West-
Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Rice, USM, UAB, Memphis, Houston


Now the travel cost problem is solved. With 8 team divisions, you rarely ever play the opposite division. For instance, football would be 7 games in division, 1 out. Basketball 14 games in division, 2 out.

Its a good idea.

Think about it.

Ain't gonna happen.

Kat W. Mich will never be in the C-USA, I feel sorry for WM cause they will be a team without a conf. to far form anywhere.

axeme Wrote:I can't imagine Memphis being content with what is clearly a mid-major conference for very long. At the very least, Calipari will pack his bags and take the next Big East job that comes along and they will hire a cheaper coach and downgrade.

Sure, that is why Calipari signed a contract exstension through 2010.

IMO, in any coaching contract with a duration in excess of five years, the only number that really matters is the buyout amount. If that's more than a speed bump amount for, say, an NBA franchise, then you've got something. Otherwise, his deal is just a unilateral love-letter from the university.

Kit-Cat Wrote:

paladin1aa Wrote:Last time I checked, attractive conferences that had vacancies had no problem with prospects pounding on their door. Why are folks SOLICITING ?? This is a conference with a rude awaking coming!! CUSA will be a loser group with more defections,less stability ,more expenses and humble pie for dessert !! 

The MAC could be going down the same path in a few years.....

Toledo should get out while they can. A couple of off seasons, and wham you are a forgotten program. 20 years ago nobody would of thought TCU would be moving up over SMU.......its all about timing.

Marshall is going to make more in CUSA than the MAC, even with higher travel costs. Throw Toledo in there and travel costs decrease 15%, giving Marshall more revenue. Throw Miami.U in CUSA, and travel costs decrease another 15%.


CUSA at 16 schools:

East-
Marshall, ECU, Toledo, UCF, NIU, WMU, Ohio, MiamiU

West-
Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Rice, USM, UAB, Memphis, Houston


Now the travel cost problem is solved. With 8 team divisions, you rarely ever play the opposite division. For instance, football would be 7 games in division, 1 out. Basketball 14 games in division, 2 out.

Its a good idea.

Think about it.

Bad idea. Ideally, twelve is what you want, fourteen is tough but workable, and sixteen is a recipe for disaster. What you just thought up is an eastern version of the old WAC-16, and we all know how that ended...

DevilGrad Wrote:IMO, in any coaching contract with a duration in excess of five years, the only number that really matters is the buyout amount. If that's more than a speed bump amount for, say, an NBA franchise, then you've got something. Otherwise, his deal is just a unilateral love-letter from the university.

I agree, contracts these days are hardly worth the paper they're printed on. So far, no details as to the financials have come out, but he was making over a million dollars before so I expect a good-sized buyout.

TheTiger Wrote:

DevilGrad Wrote:IMO, in any coaching contract with a duration in excess of five years, the only number that really matters is the buyout amount.  If that's more than a speed bump amount for, say, an NBA franchise, then you've got something.  Otherwise, his deal is just a unilateral love-letter from the university.

I agree, contracts these days are hardly worth the paper they're printed on. So far, no details as to the financials have come out, but he was making over a million dollars before so I expect a good-sized buyout.

I think the new CUSA hoops may suprise alot of people on how good it can be.

Still if this was to happen and the MAC lost:

Marshall
UCF
Toledo

In 2005, anyone out there can't say this wouldn't Hurt the MAC. And its chance to survive past the 15 K rule if it goes into effect. By the way I thought everyone in the MAC said no one would look at another conf. esp. C-USA. That Toledo was safe in the MAC. Well I don't think Toledos name would have been brought up if there had not been positive feedback to C-USA officials. Looks like they are looking else where.

HerdZoned Wrote:Well I don't think Toledos name would have been brought up if there had not been positive feedback to C-USA officials. Looks like they are looking else where.

That "something to it" could, of course, be wishful thinking -- along the same lines as "Marshall will continue a football series with Miami."

Apparently the only administrators who believe that one live in Huntington...

RedSteve Wrote:along the same lines as "Marshall will continue a football series with Miami."

God I Hope Not

Is it 2005 yet? :snore:

I just heard that the Big Ten is putting together an offer, which will be given to Toledo to counter the offer from C-USA

HerdZoned Wrote:

RedSteve Wrote:along the same lines as "Marshall will continue a football series with Miami."

God I Hope Not

Not as fervently as Miami fans hope not.

Steve's point, however, is well taken.

Herd Zoned --- If you are looking for YSU try ysupenguins.net. Unfortunately they are talking about beating the Herd in 3 out of 4 National Championship games. Otherwise ,its boring stuff. But I suspect they will be laughing their butts off in the coming years as CUSA becomes a laughing stock nationally. I have it on pretty good authority that when You & UCF leave, there will be NO games,matches,etc. between you guys and MAC schools. CUSA all you want ,oh and the Big Boys are licking their chops for the OOC games with you guys. Ohio St. will be your warm-up initiation !! :rofl: :rofl:

I really, REALLY hate to say it, but if offered, I'd say it's about 50/50 that Toledo might accept an offer from C-DOA. It would be a serious mistake, imo, too. The MAC has not been good to Toledo, however, and the hard feelings could play into any decision.

OddBall I think if offered and if TCU goes they will be, its going to be more than 50/50. Toledo is going to look and see that Marshall and UCF are gone. And if the 15K rule goes into effect that 3-4 of the 5 teams that are in real trouble could be going I-AA. I really think that Toledo officials are looking at their options and seeing the writing on the wall about the MAC.

If Miami or BUGS were offered along with UT, then it would go above 50/50. Toledo is a big part of the tradition and rivalries that make the MAC so great. That means a lot. The fact that it doesn't seem to matter to the conference is why I think that we might be willing to jump.

Was NCAAbbs giving away crack this morning?

There are a lot of completely moronic statements being made on all sides of this debate.

First let me address the crackheads among the MAC loyalists.

Marshall didn't make a mistake. Marshall wanted to play Southern schools. That's why they left. Period. Now, if Miami or Bowling Green or Northern Illinois were to make the same move faced with the same financials, would we have thought it was a mistake? Abso-freakin'-lutely. But that doesn't make it a mistake for Marshall.

The idea that Conference USA Lite

Schadenfreude Wrote:Was NCAAbbs giving away crack this morning?

why, yes....yes it was. :D :D

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