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=>Tonight, the MAC refs apparently blew it again. As I sat at home listening to Steve Baker, the Voice of the RedHawks, call out MAC ref Eugene Crawford and describe him as "terrible" or "horrible" (cannot remember which word was used).

Later in the game, according to our fellow redbirded buddies in Munice, Miami's winning shot was clearly after the game had ended.

Hopefully BSU's footage and Miami's play-by-play broadcast can be used to put an end to the travesty that is MAC basketball refereeing.

MAC refs suck and are disgusting.

Sometimes it takes a tragedy before real change is made. Hopefully, tonight is that tragedy.

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=>From the radio voice of the RedHawks Steve Baker:

Quote:Greetings, folks!

Just back from Muncie. A couple of things.

1) I don't have an absolute answer on "the shot." From my vantage point, the same as the official standing in front of me, it looked like it was off in time. If there is video or photographic proof to the contrary, I truly feel bad for the Cardinals. Unfortunately, for BSU fans, that won't make much difference. It was totally a judgement call by the official, he made it emphatically and without hesitation. In his mind, and his is the ONLY one that matters, the shot was good.

2) I made no mention of anything getting thrown onto the floor because I didn't notice it. I'm sure no one, on either side, would condone it and is upset by it. But, it happens, and as long as no one was hurt, move on.

3) The officiating was, well, I won't put it in print. This was as brutal a battle as I can remember between these two schools. Miami was being whistled for fouls that weren't being called on the other end, particularly in the first 11 minutes of the 2nd half. (Example; counted 5 separate times in the second half were A Ball State player (I won't name names) clearly had the jersey of a Miami player either coming up to set a screen or come off of one. Not called once.) Were they fouls? Yes. Were there more to be called that weren't? Yes. But there were many that weren't called against Ball State that allowed them to turn the game into a street fight type of game. When the officials started tightening up, as they always do, things evened up foul-wise. That, no matter which team is started with the least team fouls, equates to "we couldn't get a call in the last so-and-son minutes." What really happens is the things they called at one end suddenly start appearing at both ends. Thanks largely due to several minutes of kind prodding and coaching from guys that get paid to do that. Now, is that right? As a fan, probably. As a coach, no. Be consistent. That's all you ask. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen enough either.

As I said, if "the shot" was after the buzzer I feel badly for BSU players and fans that the game didn't go to overtime. But, like in many sports, we put judgement in the hands of people as referees, umpires and judges. Until they find a way to make one perfect, everyone has to play the game through their eyes.

<a href='http://www.miamihawktalk.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=19793&start=225' target='_blank'>http://www.miamihawktalk.com/discussion/vi...19793&start=225</a>
02-10-2005 12:35 AM
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Just another commet about officiating... I was watching the Kent-Akron game last night as it was coming down to the final thirty seconds and Akron needed to foul. No one and one yet as Michael Reghi informs us that that is just the fourth team foul on Akron. Then they put up a graphic showing Kent had just four fouls against them as well. Are you kidding me? Two bitter rivals going at it and the refs called a grand total of seven fouls combined for the first 19:30 of the second half? Doesn't seem possible. :rolleyes:
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I would never complain about a MAC game in which only 8 fouls had been called by late in the 2nd half. It's usually the other way around--40-50-60 fouls called per game, and many of the ticky-tacky variety that completely destroy the flow of the game. I'd much rather the zebras let the teams play, unless of course it is so rough that it gets out of hand. What usually happens is that they call a game one way until the last 10 minutes or so, and then they completely change how they call it. The lack of consistency is what drives players and coaches and fans nuts.
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I too would agree that I would rather see a "let them play" game then a "parade to the foul line" game. But as you pointed out, MAC officials generally call lots of fouls (wasn't there like sixty in a CMU-EMU game earlier this year) and consistency is important. I can see where during a blowout the refs let them play more and don't call everything, but this game was close throughout and it is hard to believe that Akron, who was trailing, would have but three fouls against them after 19:30 of the second half. Would like to hear what someone who saw the whole game thinks.
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The refs in the Kent - Akron game were completely fair in the second half, were they good? not really, it was a slug fest out there, Dru Joyce threw Nate Gerwig into the crowd. I love that type of game, let them fight it out, and just enjoy unless it gets to the point of fist fighting, which i thought it would, but good ref job in Akron last night. The flow of the game was perfect, besides all the official timeouts, but that college ball for ya
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ckool17 Wrote:The refs in the Kent - Akron game were completely fair in the second half, were they good? not really, it was a slug fest out there, Dru Joyce threw Nate Gerwig into the crowd. I love that type of game, let them fight it out, and just enjoy unless it gets to the point of fist fighting, which i thought it would, but good ref job in Akron last night. The flow of the game was perfect, besides all the official timeouts, but that college ball for ya
=>Bullsh!t!!! How could itty bitty Dru Joyce throw giant Nate Gerwig to the ground? I do not believe it to be possible.
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You beat me to the punch.

Joyce 5' 11", 170 lbs. Gerwig about 6' 8", 260 lbs?

I hear Bryan Hipsher body slammed John Whorton during the younger Hipsher's Freshman season too, right?

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C Roo Wrote:Bryan Hipsher
Wow that's a name our Zip friends would rather forget. :rolleyes:
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hmm it might have been someone else, it probably was but all i know is nate gerwig was falling, and went to grab on to an akron player and the akron player thought he was just trying to wrap him up, and threw him into a camera person. It was an honest mistake, and yea joyce is pretty small so it might not have been him. I know it wasnt travis, could have been Peterson, not 100 percent sure, anyone else see the play? towards the end of the game
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I saw it, it was Joyce, and he's a vicious brute!
Then Gerwig threw his hands up looking to the refs for a flagrant foul.
Then he laughed.

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I miss the Hipshers. :D
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I even miss Mrs. Hipsher.She got so, ummmmm, "into" the games. Reports claimed she got escorted out of a game at OU last year for insulting a little girl. Then there was charming Andy, a special ambassador for road crowds.

The whole lot were pretty entertaining.
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Careful FF, or you might arouse the ire of "Andy Hipsher's Girlfriend" who used many aliases to defend the H's every move and drive the folks crazy on the Zip board. 03-lol
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axeme Wrote:I saw it, it was Joyce, and he's a vicious brute!
Then Gerwig threw his hands up looking to the refs for a flagrant foul.
Then he laughed.

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First of all, what a game!

The Zips lost a tough one but, man, it sure is fun to have games that mean something again.


As for the officiating: I have read other posts on this board about poor officiating and figured it was just sour grapes but after what I saw last nite, I have to change my mind and agree.

Akron/Kent officiating was non-existant... looked more like a rugby scrum than a hoops game..

Both teams hammered away at each other all nite with few calls.


Someone mentioned flagrant fouls.. How about Gerwing's flying elbows clocking opponents on several rebounds.? None called. But then they turn around and call hand-checking???

The Dru Joyce incident was a foul on one of the Kent guards, Joyce was tripped and fell into Gerwig.. Gerwig stayed in his face.. Dru pushed him and he went tumbling out of bounds.. He thought it was funny. Gerwig was also got some grief from some fans when he went diving for a loose ball and ended up pancaking an older lady sitting courtside seats...

Akron hacked away too and the refs called nothing....A rivalry game, within 1 to 3 pts in the final 30 seconds and there were only 7 fouls in the second half? Right.

The refs let the game become a slugfest... that's how players get hurt.

The MAC really needs to upgrade the officiating in all sports....don't even get me started on MAC Football refs....
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Look around. This same conversation takes place in every conference in the country.
And all think their conference's officials are especially the worst, and that they have a vendatta against their school. And as has been noted elsewhere, there are no conference refs per se, just regional NCAA refs at different grade levels. The 1's are graded the top of the profession. They also cost more. We get them sometimes at our games, but in general the conf./schools don't want to pay top dollar.
It doesn't matter anyway--go look at the ACC fans outrage at the quality of their refs.
The MVC teams are hoping they don't get their usual refs when they play us in the BB.
Yeah, everyone wants "better" refs. So what? Nobody knows who they are.
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axeme Wrote:Look around. This same conversation takes place in every conference in the country.
And all think their conference's officials are especially the worst, and that they have a vendatta against their school. And as has been noted elsewhere, there are no conference refs per se, just regional NCAA refs at different grade levels. The 1's are graded the top of the profession. They also cost more. We get them sometimes at our games, but in general the conf./schools don't want to pay top dollar.
It doesn't matter anyway--go look at the ACC fans outrage at the quality of their refs.
The MVC teams are hoping they don't get their usual refs when they play us in the BB.
Yeah, everyone wants "better" refs. So what? Nobody knows who they are.
=>I disagree. I grew up an IU fan and watch a heckuva lot of Big Ten games. Rarely do I feel the refs in the B10 game screwed the pooch even though I have an allegiance to one team that would otherwise make me a little biased. Then I watch a MAC game and I am increasingly left speechless at the ineptness of our refs.

Hang 'em.
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A number of the refs we use also work Big 10 games.
You don't seem to understand that that it's a hopeless situation and that your point of view will only lead you to despair, knashing of teeth, and self-loathing. Give in to the darkness and you will find the light.
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axeme Wrote:A number of the refs we use also work Big 10 games.
You don't seem to understand that that it's a hopeless situation and that your point of view will only lead you to despair, knashing of teeth, and self-loathing. Give in to the darkness and you will find the light.
=>Now you read this flasher, your acquiesence to the incompetence of the MAC refage only makes you guilty of complicity in my book. Sanzere is mostly fine. Dickbiter has got to go. There are thousands of refs out there in the midwest alone working small college or H.S. basketball.

There has got to be a better way. I say we hang 'em or send them to the guillotine. Then we get those who were complicit. After that, we can start over fresh.

My goal for this thread is to shoo MAC Refs away like the annoying bug that they are. I shall do this in the only honest way that I can, which is by simply setting forth those principles that I personally believe in and that I, not being one of the many fork-tongued, wanton dummkopfs of this world, personally observe and honor. And that's why I feel compelled to say something about morally crippled untoward-types. Because we continue to share a common, albeit abused, atmospheric envelope, MAC Refs somehow manage to maintain a straight face when saying that courtesy and manners don't count for anything. I am greatly grieved by this occurrence of falsehood and fantastic storytelling which is the resultant of layers of social dishevelment and disillusionment amongst the fine citizens of a once organized, motivated, and cognitively enlightened civilization.

MAC Refs should clarify their calls, so people like you and me can tell what the heck their doing. Without clarification, MAC Refs' antics sound lofty and include some emotionally charged words but don't really seem to make any sense. MAC Refs say that profits come before people. But then it turns around and say that everyone who doesn't share their beliefs is a materialistic infidel deserving of death and damnation. You know, you can't have it both ways, MAC Refs. If MAC Refs were paying attention -- which it would seem they are not, as I've already gone over this -- it'd see that if I may be so bold, perhaps one day we will live in a world where good people are not troubled by fear of the most splenetic loan sharks you'll ever see. Until that day arrives, however, we must spread the word that each rung on the ladder of heathenism is a crisis of some kind. Each crisis supplies an excuse for MAC Refs to cripple its enemies politically, economically, socially, morally, and psychologically. That is the standard process by which disgusting moral weaklings infringe upon our most important constitutional rights. When I say that it undoubtedly makes far more sense to work together towards a shared vision than to break up society's solidarity and cohesiveness, I don't just mean that it wants to convince people that their peers are already riding the MAC Refs bandwagon and will think ill of them if they don't climb aboard, too, that it wants to deface property with racially and sexually derogatory epithets and offensive symbols, or that it wants to make us all miserable. Sure, MAC Refs decidedly want all that, but it also wants much more. It wants to coordinate a revolution.

Because few people realize that MAC Refs are a card-carrying member of the Hypocrisy Club, it therefore stands to reason that if you've read this far, then you probably either agree with me or are on the way to agreeing with me. Even though MAC Refs give flattering titles to its natural distempers, MAC Refs either are or elects to be ignorant of scientific principles and methods. It even intentionally misuses scientific terminology to prevent people from thinking and visualizing beyond an increasingly psychologically caged existence. MAC Refs argue that cultural tradition has never contributed a single thing to the advancement of knowledge or understanding. To maintain this thesis, MAC Refs naturally have had to shovel away a mountain of evidence, which it does by the desperate expedient of claiming that the sky is falling.

None of what MAC Refs say carries any weight. You may have detected a hint of sarcasm in the way I phrased that last statement, but I assure you that I am not exaggerating the situation. Almost every day, MAC Refs outreach themselves in setting new records for arrogance, deceit, and greed. It's honestly breathtaking to watch it.

I'm sticking out my neck a bit in talking about MAC Refs' bons mots. It's quite likely it will try to retaliate against me for my telling you that if I hear its cult followers say, "Mediocrity and normalcy are ideal virtues" one more time, I'm indeed going to throw up. Should this be discussed in school? You bet. That's the function of education: To teach students how to set the stage so that my next letter will begin from a new and much higher level of influence.

On that note, let me say that I can reword my point as follows. Authority without wisdom is mere noise against the music of eternity. No one can deny that MAC Refs have lost what little credibility they once had, yet when you tell MAC Refs' cronies that MAC Refs lecture us about terrorism so often that it may soon become a major source of hearing loss, they begin to get fidgety, and their eyes begin to wander. They really don't care. They have no interest in hearing that you might have heard the story that it once agreed to help us educate the public on a range of issues. No one has located the document in which MAC Refs said that. No one has identified when or where MAC Refs said that. That's because they never said it. As you might have suspected, MAC Refs are an inspiration to vitriolic, prissy mouthpieces for vicious, malodorous despotism everywhere. They panegyrize their crusade to invade every private corner and force every thought into a scurrilous mold and, more importantly, they don't realize that when people say that bigotry and hate are alive and well, they're right. And MAC Refs are to blame. MAC Refs have endorsed the idea of heartless obscurantism in a number of specific ways, arguing, for instance, in favor of its trained seals' decision to shift blame from those who benefit from oppression to those who suffer from it.

Certainly, I've heard of sleazy things like denominationalism and philistinism. But I've also heard of things like nonviolence, higher moralities, and treating all beings as ends in and of themselves -- ideas which MAC Refs' ignorant, unthinking, conceited brains are too small to understand. I discussed this topic in a previous post, so I will not go into great detail now, but MAC Refs have been doing "in-depth research" (whatever it thinks that means) to prove that no one is smart enough to see through their transparent lies. I should mention that I've been doing some research of my own. So far, I've "discovered" that I feel no more personal hatred for MAC Refs than I might feel for a herd of wild animals or a cluster of poisonous reptiles. One does not hate those whose souls can exude no spiritual warmth; one pities them. I am, of course, referring to a recent occurrence which is so well-known, it requires no comment, except to add that MAC Refs really struck a nerve with me when it does the things it does "for the children". That lie is a painful reminder that my cause is to dispense justice. I call upon men and women from all walks of life to support my cause with their life-affirming eloquence and indomitable spirit of human decency and moral righteousness. Only then will the whole world realize that I, hardheaded cynic that I am, wonder what would happen if MAC Refs really did force their moral code on the rest of us. There's a spooky thought. Before you declare me supercilious, let me assert that MAC Refs' conclusions cannot stand on their own merit. That's why they're dependent on elaborate artifices and explanatory stories to convince us that if MAC Refs kicks us in the teeth, we'll then lick its toes and beg for another kick.

It should be intuitively obvious even to the most casual observer that MAC Refs are not a responsible citizens. Responsible citizens reinvigorate our collective commitment to building and maintaining a sensitive, tolerant, and humane community. Responsible citizens undeniably do not brainwash the masses into submission. Here's an eye-opener for you: This is not the place to develop that subject. It demands many pages of analysis, which I can't spare in this post. Instead, I'll just state the key point, which is that by allowing MAC Refs to make our lives an endless treadmill of government interferences while providing few real benefits to our health and happiness, we are allowing it to play puppet master. It is pointless to fret about the damage already caused by MAC Refs' ruthless objectives. The past cannot be changed. We must cope with the present if we hope to affect our future and compare, contrast, and identify the connections among different types of paternalism-oriented, piteous stoicism. Even MAC Refs' gofers are afraid that MAC Refs will resort to ad hominem attacks on me and my family within a short period of time. I have seen their fear manifested over and over again, and it is further evidence that if MAC Refs gets their way, none of us will be able to delegitimize it. Therefore, we must not let MAC Refs encumber the religious idea with too many things of a purely earthly nature and thus bring religion into a totally unnecessary conflict with science.

The underlying message is that MAC Refs should pay a price for their insidious, daft morals. That concept can be extended, mutatis mutandis, to the way that it has been known to say that particularism is a be-all, end-all system that should be forcefully imposed upon us. That notion is so bookish, I hardly know where to begin refuting it. You should not ask, "In view of MAC Refs' contemptible reports, what does it make sense for us to do now?", but rather, "What meaningless self-inflicted psychological trauma are MAC Refs going through now?". The latter question is the better one to ask, because what we have been imparting to MAC Refs -- or what they have been eliciting from us -- is a half-submerged, barely intended logic, contaminated by wishes and tendencies we prefer not to acknowledge.

MAC Refs' pledge not to inculcate puerile threats is merely empty rhetoric, invoked on occasion for theatrical effect but otherwise studiously ignored. No one need be surprised if our culture's personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of MAC Refs. End of story. Actually, I should add that one of its yes-men once said, "Anyone who dares to begin the debate about its put-downs can expect to suffer hair loss and tooth decay as a result." Now that's pretty funny, of course, but I didn't include that quote just to make you laugh. I included it to convince you that it maintains that it would sooner give up money, fame, power, and happiness than perform a mawkish act. This is hardly the case. Rather, there is growing evidence that says, to the contrary, that it maliciously defames and damagingly misrepresents everyone and everything around it. There's a word for that: libel. The facts are in: MAC Refs forces are more determined than most intrusive blowhards. Now, hang 'em high.
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