Cat's_Claw Wrote:

Tomznj Wrote:I'am sure the BCS would love to dump the Big East ASAP.

Actually, it's the opposite, the BCS wants to keep the Big East in at all costs. The Big East provides an academic and athletic conference that generates revenue at a BCS clip so it gives them more power. The Big East is also a power basketball conference and that is used by the Big Six conferences to secure more power. Also, the Big East has the biggest T.V. and media market in the country, and that gives the BCS even more power. Imagine having all that as an enemy of the BCS? That is what the BCS would face if they kicked the Big East out. The Big East would be a powerful ally of the non-BCS schools, and they can't give the non-BCS schools power.

I agree. Despite being weakened in football, the Big East isn't going to lose their BCS status. In fact, I don't think it will even be considered. Imo, this is nothing but message board talk, based on nothing but idle speculation. Sometimes those of us who like to prattle on message boards are ahead of the curve, other times we just repeat things until they seem rational. This particular issue strikes me as being firmly in the latter category.

Cat's_Claw Wrote:

Tomznj Wrote:I'am sure the BCS would love to dump the Big East ASAP.

Actually, it's the opposite, the BCS wants to keep the Big East in at all costs. The Big East provides an academic and athletic conference that generates revenue at a BCS clip so it gives them more power. The Big East is also a power basketball conference and that is used by the Big Six conferences to secure more power. Also, the Big East has the biggest T.V. and media market in the country, and that gives the BCS even more power. Imagine having all that as an enemy of the BCS? That is what the BCS would face if they kicked the Big East out. The Big East would be a powerful ally of the non-BCS schools, and they can't give the non-BCS schools power.

He's sorta right. If the Big East were out, that would isolate the remaining five conferences more.

I think the Big Greedy Six continues to have a majority of I-A schools.

I generally agree.

However, if:

1-the status of the Big East as a BCS conference significantly loses further credibility, and

2-the strength of some non-BCS conferences regularly surpasses that of the Big East, then I think something will have to be done. What that something is I don't know.

I have a feeling that the other 5 BCS conferences are hoping that the Big East will improve to the point where its status is unquestioned.

Regardless, I think that within the next 5 years or so, we'll continue to see changes in the BCS format.

TxTiger79 Wrote:Bad enough that you have to be a BCS school to play for the national title. Now you have to be a BCS school to play in the Liberty Bowl?

This system MUST be changed before we are pushed out of D-1 football.They need us too.

hbengal Wrote:

TxTiger79 Wrote:Bad enough that you have to be a BCS school to play for the national title. Now you have to be a BCS school to play in the Liberty Bowl?

This system MUST be changed before we are pushed out of D-1 football.They need us too.

Yep, it really looks like that is their goal, to bad fans like bronco can't see it, the BC$ conferences will slowly push each of the other conferences to the margin.

TxTiger79 Wrote:

hbengal Wrote:

TxTiger79 Wrote:Bad enough that you have to be a BCS school to play for the national title. Now you have to be a BCS school to play in the Liberty Bowl?

This system MUST be changed before we are pushed out of D-1 football.They need us too.

Yep, it really looks like that is their goal, to bad fans like bronco can't see it, the BC$ conferences will slowly push each of the other conferences to the margin.

Oh I can see it. But I also saw C-DOA vote for the 15K actual attendance rule to upset a few other non-BCS schools because C-DOA figured their members could get 15,001 through their turnstiles. That’s the way you all think…… always try to cut the latter off just one step behind your own a55. So as far as I’m concerned what C-DOA gets they deserve.

BTW, the MAC will still be alive and well long after C-DOA is dead and gone.

bronco67 Wrote:

TxTiger79 Wrote:

hbengal Wrote:

TxTiger79 Wrote:Bad enough that you have to be a BCS school to play for the national title. Now you have to be a BCS school to play in the Liberty Bowl?

This system MUST be changed before we are pushed out of D-1 football.They need us too.

Yep, it really looks like that is their goal, to bad fans like bronco can't see it, the BC$ conferences will slowly push each of the other conferences to the margin.

Oh I can see it. But I also saw C-DOA vote for the 15K actual attendance rule to upset a few other non-BCS schools because C-DOA figured their members could get 15,001 through their turnstiles. That’s the way you all think…… always try to cut the latter off just one step behind your own a55. So as far as I’m concerned what C-DOA gets they deserve.

Did not post this article to get into a debate with anyone. I hope you are able to deal with your issue's and look beyond the end of your nose. Bye

Cat's Claw & Odd Ball, FYI if the BE does not have one of thier members finish in the top twelve for the next three years running they will be out of the BCS. Actually it would have only needed to be the next two years, but the BCS agreed to accept Louisville's top ten finish this past season even though they were offically still in Conferenc USA. Splitting $125 million Bowl dollars 5 ways is better than 6 as they see it, and probably so would you. Remember that the ACC gutted the BE's power in football. and getting Louisville may be the only thing that will save them. Pittsbugh's showing in a BCS Bowl this past season was not considered to be at a BCS level. and if the BE where not a BCS member, they would no longer get an automatic bid to one of the big five bowls, and they would not be generating revenue at a BCS clip. The bcs bullies would be happy indeed if the BE became relegated to the mid-major football status level. As far as BE & BB, they will stay on top as long as they are a 16 member conference, but the real money & the BCS focus is still in football.

TxTiger79 Wrote:Thought ya'll would enjoy this article. Looks like the BC$ schools are only going to play 1AA schools and hope to starve the rest of us out.

Hmm, seems like some folks on this board were saying the same thing a few months back.

Actually it doesn't work like that. If you aren't top 12 after 3 years, your membership is placed for review where you entire conference's body of work is looked at (say while you're not top 12 but you have 5 teams in the top 25 then you'll keep the spot). Also a new added consideration is market size. Yes, crap that has nothing to do with football like market size is considered for the BCS membership. For those who don't know, the Big East has the largest market size of any other conference by far.

Everything the BCS has done since the the conference reallignment have helped to include the Big East conference as part of the BCS. They added a new BCS game so other BCS bowls won't complain that the Big East is included. They allowed a new team's ranking to be included ala Louisville. They inserted a "Market Size" Clause in the BCS review standards.

The writing is clearly on the wall. The BCS wants to keep the Big East and it has nothing to do with perofrmance on the field. Doesn't matter what fans of non-BCS team wish or hope, thats just how things are.