Jerry Seymour just indicted on 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter .......story just broke out of Isabella County via abc 12 news in Flint.....

hymeballs Wrote:Jerry Seymour just indicted on 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter .......story just broke out of Isabella County via abc 12 news in Flint.....

swoooosshhh... the sound of CMU's season going down the toilet

(if its true. the guy is innocent until proven guilty)

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Quote:swoooosshhh... the sound of CMU's season going down the toilet

The guy who rushed for 148yd against Indiana was a freshman, so you're being premature there. The team has already been preparing for life without Seymour, although no one saw manslaughter charges coming.

The prosecutor obviously kept a lot back from the press, because no one saw this coming. JS was never previously linked to the crime, only called an obstructionist. The other two players were also never mentioned as involved in any way until now, and Kelly made comments as recently as last week that he believed Jerry was the last link to the program and Graham's death.

The question is, since the nature of the charge is much different than anticipated (possible perjury), how does the team react? Anger, disappointment, shock, determination to put this behind them? I'm certainly glad Kelly suspended Jerry after the contempt charges, or the effect on the team and program would be much worse.

Thanks for the innocent until proven guilty comment, and I'd like to remind everyone about that. In fact, I'd encourage everyone to take a deep breath and wait on further developments before passing judgment. This is far beyond football, folks. Some young mens' futures are in the offing here. I have no idea what evidence the prosecutor and judge have, and neither does anyone here. There's a lot about what happened that night that is drastically unclear. While discussion is inevitable, let's try not to be judge and jury here. I'll certainly report any reliable info as I get it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Seymour already convicted of a perjury charge (contempt of grand jury)? I had seen press reports indicating that was the case. It is my understanding that this is an additional charge of perjury.

Quote:Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Seymour already convicted of a perjury charge (contempt of grand jury)? I had seen press reports indicating that was the case. It is my understanding that this is an additional charge of perjury.

He plead no contest to a charge of lying to the grand jury. It's neither an admission of guilt nor a conviction, but the plea is treated as such for sentencing purposes. The perjury charge was threatened by the prosecutor weeks ago, but the other stuff is all new, espically about the other two players. Either the prosecutor, judge, and police are keeping a lot of evidence hidden until now, or there's something else going on.

This is terrible!
Come the Central - Western game, who are we going to yell "Willow" at?
" Willow, Willow Offgood has the ball"! (Ref: see the movie Willow, c1989 ? )

No, I am sorry. I believe in inocent till proven guilty.
I also believe in our court system here in Michigan.
He will get a fair trial.
If guilty, he will be punished.
If innocent, then set free.

If the latter is true, then this is a travesty for, beyond the stress and trouble, he will miss out on his senior season and any glory it might bring.

You know, now that I have writen this, I wonder if this prosecutor is a Western grad? :eek:

Brian Kelly has just issued a statement regarding the indictments and, not surprisingly, Lewis and Cooper now join Seymour as being "indefinitely suspended."

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Quote:This is far beyond football, folks. Some young mens' futures are in the offing here.&nbsp;

True. It's far more serious than a senior year or season.

FlashFan Wrote:

Quote:This is far beyond football, folks. Some young mens' futures are in the offing here. 

True. It's far more serious than a senior year or season.

Yes, but if he is found to be not guilty, the timing of this charge only adds to his pain.
This investigation has been going on for some time and if only now they are charging him, I believe that they have some solid evidence against him.

Quote:No, I am sorry. I believe in inocent till proven guilty.
I also believe in our court system here in Michigan.
He will get a fair trial.
If guilty, he will be punished.
If innocent, then set free.

If the latter is true, then this is a travesty for, beyond the stress and trouble, he will miss out on his senior season and any glory it might bring.

All true and very relevant. I only hope that the truth is uncovered, for the sake of everyone involved.

FlashFan Wrote:

Quote:This is far beyond football, folks. Some young mens' futures are in the offing here.&nbsp;

True. It's far more serious than a senior year or season.

who cares about their futures if they are guilty, let them rot. Everyone seems to keep forgetting about the person that died because of it. Not much of a future they gave them, huh?(if guilty)

CMichFan Wrote:

Quote:Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Seymour already convicted of a perjury charge (contempt of grand jury)? I had seen press reports indicating that was the case. It is my understanding that this is an additional charge of perjury.

He plead no contest to a charge of lying to the grand jury. It's neither an admission of guilt nor a conviction,

I thought when you plead no contest, you are convicted of the crime. It's just not an admission of guilt.

CMichFan Wrote:

Quote:Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Seymour already convicted of a perjury charge (contempt of grand jury)? I had seen press reports indicating that was the case. It is my understanding that this is an additional charge of perjury.

He plead no contest to a charge of lying to the grand jury. It's neither an admission of guilt nor a conviction, but the plea is treated as such for sentencing purposes.

In Ohio, if one pleads no contest, the judge finds you guilty.

So no contest is tantamount to a conviction, which follows a few seconds later.

The point of pleading no contest is to avoid an admission of guilt that may be used in a civil proceeding.

Quote:who cares about their futures if they are guilty, let them rot. Everyone seems to keep forgetting about the person that died because of it. Not much of a future they gave them, huh?(if guilty)

Agree. My point was this is far more serious than CMU's season or Seymour's senior year.

I will reserve judgement, as counseled, but can't help wonder what the DA's office has. An indictment of second degree murder and manslaughter seems to be a bit more than trying to put a scare into a kid to give someone up.

The NCAA should keep a data base on "player criminal activity" instead of "player retention". Then for every misdemeanor conviction the school should lose 10 scholarships, and for every felony conviction the school should lose 30 scholarships. In about one year Fresno and Marshall would be totally out of business.