BlazerUnit Wrote:I was going to make some really, really bad joke that would resemble the following:

"Praise the lard, that fat bastard's dead."*

But reveling in that hate-monger's death would make me just as faulty as the hate-monger himself. Besides, considering both the quotes that FW and OUGwave reposted, and the discriminatory initiatives Falwell and his followers championed, the real tragedy is that Falwell himself never got the chance to repent of his own flawed actions.

By tying his brand of Christianity to a narrow-minded right-wing ideology, he's likely done more to damage the faith (and the perception of those who believe in it) than any alleged 'Jewish Anti-Christ' ever could (at least in his meek mind).

I do sympathize for the folks who have lost a father, a husband, and a good friend. However, I won't weep for his bullshyt not being broadcasted.


(*full disclosure--I lifted this from a blog, and I did laugh.)

Well, those two fine preachers, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton provide as much hate as anybody out there. Lets hear you explain their extortion and un-Christian acts they act out everyday. They are scum sucking dogs. When they die, I will make sure and post "the two lying bastards are dead finally".

I think it should be our goal to get every thread about someone or something famous dying moved to the smack forum. We did it for Barbaro, we did it for Anna Nicole Smith, and now we've done it for Jerry Falwell. Keep up the good work everybody.

A few celebrities have died recently that avoided being savaged by this group. I won't name them, because then they'll get beaten on.

As to Rev. Falwell and the quotes plucked out of long messages, hyperbole is something that is lost on many. Further, to pull up a quote of his from the 60's about segregation, a quote which he has long since repudiated (as shown by the fact that his congregation and university are multi-racial) is playing fast and loose with the facts.

As to his statements about gays, the bible calls homosexuality an abomination in Leviticus. Paul calls homosexuality sinful. (Romans) and further states that gays won't inherit the kingdom of heaven. (I Corinthians). If you have a complaint about his script, take it up with the Author. I'm sure He'll listen.

To believe in heavenly (or otherwise) judgment for sins -- or what one believes to be sins (how many of you abstain from pork for religious purposes?) -- is one thing. To use one's public image call for, pray for, and cheer worldly suffering for mass swaths of people one has himself judged to be sinners is another thing entirely.

As far as the Brown v Board of Education quote, I think its posting was entirely legitimate. As you stated, it's been removed from its temporal context, which if one fails to consider that could be misleading. No it does not mean he died a segregationist, or even that he was a segregationist in the time since his quote. Rather it is evidence that he has long used Christianity as the foundation for the hate he taught. In addition to spreading hate, he hurts the very religion which he uses to rationalize that hate.

When someone says that they were wrong for what they said and apologized for it publicly (regarding the segregation statement) it shows the man grew up and actually studied a bit. I suspect 80% of adult white southerners in the 50's and 60's thought segregation was okay and sought whatever means to justify that erroneous belief. There were a huge number of preachers back then who made the same argument, many of whom were not as high profile as Rev. Falwell. Was he listening to what others said? Probably. Did he repeat what others said without seeking it out himself? Probably. Many have long since recognized that segregation was wrongheaded and sinful and have said as much. There were many whites who were strongly segregationist back then who didn't "hate" non-whites and once they figured out the errors of their ways, simply just moved on and have accepted and in many respects have enjoyed the new environment.

Quote:"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

Defend this

If the main purpose that humans should aspire to is to get right with God, then the way he viewed the scriptures, if you don't succeed in meeting that purpose (by being born again), then you're a failure. Its called hyperbole. It doesn't mean he hates non-believers, it means that he's trying to get their attention. For example, just because I call someone a dumb*** doesn't mean that they are literally a deaf donkey, but I am inferring that they have the intellect of a stupid donkey and I'm trying to get their attention. And I'm not calling you a dumb***, I'm just using it as a hyperbole as an example. Next example please.

EastStang Wrote:It doesn't mean he hates non-believers, it means that he's trying to get their attention.

Another way to look at many of his quotes is that he was agitating his followers, which was a good business model. You can look at his original position on segregation in that light. It's true that he eventually changed his tune, but didn't he wait until his original position was wildly unpopular? Wouldn't that be considered "flip-flopping?"

To answer the original question, I wasn't a fan of his rhetoric, but I am not the one who decides who goes where.

double post--see below

EagleRockCafe Wrote:Well, those two fine preachers, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton provide as much hate as anybody out there. Lets hear you explain their extortion and un-Christian acts they act out everyday. They are scum sucking dogs. When they die, I will make sure and post "the two lying bastards are dead finally".

You post that as if anyone would be surprised. As far as your takes on the 'scum sucking dogs' known as Sharpton & Jackson:

EagleRockCafe Wrote:I am sure _____ had some principles he believed in that a person like you would have no clue about. I love how people like you can't wait to brand those with differing opinions as "hateful".

Just in case you forgot your own words.

EastStang Wrote:As to his statements about gays, the bible calls homosexuality an abomination in Leviticus. Paul calls homosexuality sinful. (Romans) and further states that gays won't inherit the kingdom of heaven. (I Corinthians). If you have a complaint about his script, take it up with the numerous scribes who have added and taken away from the Bible. I'm sure they'll listen.

Fixed.

EastStang Wrote:If the main purpose that humans should aspire to is to get right with God, then the way he viewed the scriptures, if you don't succeed in meeting that purpose (by being born again), then you're a failure. Its called hyperbole. It doesn't mean he hates non-believers, it means that he's trying to get their attention. For example, just because I call someone a dumb*** doesn't mean that they are literally a deaf donkey, but I am inferring that they have the intellect of a stupid donkey and I'm trying to get their attention. And I'm not calling you a dumb***, I'm just using it as a hyperbole as an example. Next example please.

If it's simply a case of hyperbole, then why the mass effort to defeat/stifle equity initiatives for gays and African-Americans? Clearly his aim wasn't to state a belief publicly, then backpedal from it as many times as he had to do.

BlazerUnit Wrote:

EagleRockCafe Wrote:Well, those two fine preachers, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton provide as much hate as anybody out there. Lets hear you explain their extortion and un-Christian acts they act out everyday. They are scum sucking dogs. When they die, I will make sure and post "the two lying bastards are dead finally".

You post that as if anyone would be surprised. As far as your takes on the 'scum sucking dogs' known as Sharpton & Jackson:

EagleRockCafe Wrote:I am sure _____ had some principles he believed in that a person like you would have no clue about. I love how people like you can't wait to brand those with differing opinions as "hateful".

Just in case you forgot your own words.

And now you see why I have this jackhole and his fellow retard buddy, IDK on ignore....

BTW, how come no Black person ever brings up Jesse or Al? Have these morons figured that out yet? Maybe it's because those two don't speak for or represent us. But idiots seem to think differently.

BlazerUnit Wrote:

EastStang Wrote:If the main purpose that humans should aspire to is to get right with God, then the way he viewed the scriptures, if you don't succeed in meeting that purpose (by being born again), then you're a failure. Its called hyperbole. It doesn't mean he hates non-believers, it means that he's trying to get their attention. For example, just because I call someone a dumb*** doesn't mean that they are literally a deaf donkey, but I am inferring that they have the intellect of a stupid donkey and I'm trying to get their attention. And I'm not calling you a dumb***, I'm just using it as a hyperbole as an example. Next example please.

If it's simply a case of hyperbole, then why the mass effort to defeat/stifle equity initiatives for gays and African-Americans? Clearly his aim wasn't to state a belief publicly, then backpedal from it as many times as he had to do.

How is it right for Liberty University to dismiss students who weren't Baptists? Or how was it right to say that Brown v. Board should have been decided differently? How was it right for him to use the Bible to support segregation? I will note that he has apologized for some of these statements and that people can and do change, but I think that it's horrible that people will continue to defend a hatemonger such as this.

He and Fred Phelps are cut from the same cloth, except he had better PR.

ultraviolet Wrote:

texd Wrote:You are mistaken about who was so full of hate and certainty.

How long have you known you're gay?

One doesn't have to be a member of an oppressed group in order to stand up for them and their rights. For example, many whites helped out with the Civil Rights movement.

FW_ Wrote:

Quote:"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

Defend this

I would consider being bound for eternal suffering as the ultimate failure. You may not have failed society, but you have failed yourself. You non-Christians may not like to hear that, but it's the truth.

EastStang Wrote:As to his statements about gays, the bible calls homosexuality an abomination in Leviticus. Paul calls homosexuality sinful. (Romans) and further states that gays won't inherit the kingdom of heaven. (I Corinthians).

It's all well and good to accept that as the absolute truth -- if you worship Paul as God. If you are a Christian, rather than a Paul worshipper, you ought to give primacy to the words of Jesus and view the words of Paul as the opinion of a single, fallible human being like you or me. JMO.

In The Know Wrote:

FW_ Wrote:

Quote:"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

Defend this

I would consider being bound for eternal suffering as the ultimate failure. You may not have failed society, but you have failed yourself. You non-Christians may not like to hear that, but it's the truth.

lmfao

Wow. The sad thing is that you actually believe that. Well, go ahead and keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about your life.

lmfao

Good thing Jews don't believe in Hell so I'm safe

FW_ Wrote:

In The Know Wrote:

FW_ Wrote:

Quote:"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

Defend this

I would consider being bound for eternal suffering as the ultimate failure. You may not have failed society, but you have failed yourself. You non-Christians may not like to hear that, but it's the truth.

lmfao

Wow. The sad thing is that you actually believe that. Well, go ahead and keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about your life.

lmfao

Good thing Jews don't believe in Hell so I'm safe

I wonder if these people will ever realize that their worldview is almost identical to that of radical Islam...

FW_ Wrote:

In The Know Wrote:

FW_ Wrote:

Quote:"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

Defend this

I would consider being bound for eternal suffering as the ultimate failure. You may not have failed society, but you have failed yourself. You non-Christians may not like to hear that, but it's the truth.

lmfao

Wow. The sad thing is that you actually believe that. Well, go ahead and keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about your life.

lmfao

Good thing Jews don't believe in Hell so I'm safe

Yeah, it's really sad to believe in God.

Whether you believe in it or not, it's there. I don't believe that Tulane has a legit IA football program, yet the NCAA still has you on the list.