GreenMississippi Wrote:If UAB fans had the choice of winning C*USA, or beating UAT/AU, without question it would be beating UAT/AU. USM fans would love a chance at UM/MSU, Houston/UTEP beating UT-Austin would do wonders. UCF over UF would be big news... Ask a Marshall fan if they'd give up their win over UWV for a C*USA championship. For the conference championship to matter the way we want it to matter, we gotta start beating our BCS rivals regularly (the ones that will play us).

Are you nuts? You think USM fans would give up a conference championship for a win over two bottom feeder SEC teams? USM has already proven themselves against those two teams. USM won five of the last seven against OM and ten of the last fourteen against MSU.
You play in a conference to win championships. It is no coincidence that it is the ECU, UAB and Memphis fans trying to say otherwise. Between those three teams that have a big
0 in championships.

GreenMississippi Wrote:If UAB fans had the choice of winning C*USA, or beating UAT/AU, without question it would be beating UAT/AU. USM fans would love a chance at UM/MSU, Houston/UTEP beating UT-Austin would do wonders. UCF over UF would be big news... Ask a Marshall fan if they'd give up their win over UWV for a C*USA championship. For the conference championship to matter the way we want it to matter, we gotta start beating our BCS rivals regularly (the ones that will play us).

Bingo, there is no end of the year tourney to get respect. Just the way it is setup, its not ECU or their fans fault.

Sorry about the scoreboard thing there EagleRock. Frankly, in the South and especially this part of the South....the only respect CUSA gets in anything is baseball. In football..most reactions are CUWho? Winning our OOC schedule is more important recognition-wise than winning a conference title. Face it.....on a National scale winning CUSA in football doesen't mean a whole lot.....especially when the winner loses to some scrub Sun_Belt team.

gvegaspirate Wrote:Sorry about the scoreboard thing there EagleRock. Frankly, in the South and especially this part of the South....the only respect CUSA gets in anything is baseball. In football..most reactions are CUWho? Winning our OOC schedule is more important recognition-wise than winning a conference title. Face it.....on a National scale winning CUSA in football doesen't mean a whole lot.....especially when the winner loses to some scrub Sun_Belt team.

With all due respect, when you have zero championships, what else can you be expected to post. Like I said, it is no coincidence it is the fans of three schools with zero championships making the claims like you are making.

NukeLaCoog Wrote:Nah, I will forgive you for being happy with being middle to bottom dwellers of the "have-nots".

That's the thing you don't get, people in our region and in much of the nation could careless who the CUSA champ is . It doesn't matter if we win or if we are 6th as long as we get a bowl because the difference is so mi-nute at this point. The champs prize was a 7-5 (3-5) S.Carolina team. Heck we actually played a higher ranked team in our 4th place bowl.


Until we as a conference do better than 6-60 vs the BCS or actually have a team ranked in the top 25 unlike we have the past 2 years it really doesn't matter outside this board's who wins CUSA because we as a conference gets little respect. Truth is there isn't a ton of difference in any of us top to bottom right now. Our best team is maybe 50th in the nation and our bottom is about 100. Until someone step up and knocks off some big time ranked program and beat some of the other BCS and gets some of that respect it really doesn't mater about the champ. That's not an indictment of anyone because we are in the same boat.

FTR beating Virginia and NC State, with 6 wins combined in the ACC was more important than you give credit for. If you look at the computer polls those sadly were two of the best OOC wins in the whole conference last year regardless of their records and considering they represented half of all the BCS teams we beat as a conference I'll take it.

StillJonesing Wrote:

NukeLaCoog Wrote:Nah, I will forgive you for being happy with being middle to bottom dwellers of the "have-nots".

That's the thing you don't get, people in our region and in much of the nation could careless who the CUSA champ is . It doesn't matter if we win or if we are 6th as long as we get a bowl because the difference is so mi-nute at this point. The champs prize was a 7-5 (3-5) S.Carolina team. Heck we actually played a higher ranked team in our 4th place bowl.


Until we as a conference do better than 6-60 vs the BCS or actually have a team ranked in the top 25 unlike we have the past 2 years it really doesn't matter outside this board's bragging rights who wins CUSA because we as a conference gets little respect. Truth is there isn't a ton of difference in any of us top to bottom right now. Our best team is maybe 50th in the nation and our bottom is about 100. Until someone step up and knocks off some big time ranked program and beat some of the other BCS and gets some of that respect it really doesn't mater. That's not an indictment of anyone because we are in the same boat.

FTR beating Virginia and NC State, with 6 wins combined in the ACC was more important than you give credit for. If you look at the computer polls those sadly were two of the best OOC wins in the whole conference last year regardless of their records and considering they represented half of all the BCS teams we beat as a conference I'll take it.

Once again, when you have zero championships, all you have is to make up the lines you have. Two wins over crummy BCS teams is nowhere near the accomplishment as a conference championship is. Only when you can't win a championship does it even come into conversation as being important. USM's win over NCState did nothing for USM. USM playing Houston in the championship game meant far more than beating an ACC bottom feeder this year.

StillJonesing Wrote:Heck we actually played a higher ranked team in our 4th place bowl.

Please explain, because if you're really mirroring where teams finish in the Big East with where teams finish in the SEC, then I'm wasting my time responding.

uhcoog27 Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:Heck we actually played a higher ranked team in our 4th place bowl.

Please explain, because if you're really mirroring where teams finish in the Big East with where teams finish in the SEC, then I'm wasting my time responding.

If you actually read you would have seen where I was referring to poll rankings, which in the world of college football without a tournament is how you really determine how good a season was. There was little difference in the computer rankings or how many votes they were receiving in the polls.

Quote:USM's win over NCState did nothing for USM. USM playing Houston in the championship game meant far more than beating an ACC bottom feeder this year.

you aren't comparing Apples to Apples in your statement. NC State is a big deal to them because they are an hour down the road. Replace NC State with Mississippi (a bottom feeder SEC team) and I don't think your statement is still factual. I think there is a good portion of the USM fanbase that would rather beat up on Mississippi than be C-USA champions.

StillJonesing Wrote:

uhcoog27 Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:Heck we actually played a higher ranked team in our 4th place bowl.

Please explain, because if you're really mirroring where teams finish in the Big East with where teams finish in the SEC, then I'm wasting my time responding.

If you actually read you would have seen where I was referring to poll rankings, which in the world of college football without a tournament is how you really determine how good a season was. There was little difference in the computer rankings or how many votes they were receiving in the polls.

OK. In what poll was South Florida ranked higher than South Carolina?

EagleRockCafe Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:

EagleRockCafe Wrote:One decade= zero championships.

I would rather beat BCS teams, and we did that more than any non BCS program in those 10 years.

Pretty sorry spin effort. Like I said One Decade=Zero Championships. Not impressive. Tulane has one. Houston has two. Tulsa has one. USM has four. ECU has zero.

Hell, even Fredo has made a title game appearance in its 2+ year history in the league.

If beating a BC$ team means more to your program than winning a CUSA ring, you really need to go ahead and go independent.

TxTiger79 Wrote:If beating a BC$ team means more to your program than winning a CUSA ring, you really need to go ahead and go independent.

FTW!

I think it's all about appealing regional schools. For example, here in Texas nobody gives a crap about the ACC.....especially when it comes to the North Carolina schools. I'm sure most UTEP fans aren't interested (at least I'm not) having mediocre ACC schools (like Duke and UNC) in our schedule. For us, Big XII and Pac-10 schools have more appeal....since we're in their geograpic footprint. I guess the average East Carolina fan feels the same when it comes to Arizona and Texas Tech.....those schools are not that appealing to them the same way it is for UTEP fans.

East Carolina is doing a good job having home schedules with Duke, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia and Virginia. Good for them. But at least for me.....those schools mean nothing. They're far, no common history, nothing. Arizona State does more for me than NC State.

Just my 2 cents.

If winning C*USA meant a BCS bowl and a chance to beat one of the year's powerhouses, then sentiments would change. As much potential as I think C*USA has, it is still a long way from having a championship that demands respect. We got to win OOC (especially in state for those schools who have in-state BCS teams who will play them) if our InC championship is going to matter.

NukeLaCoog Wrote:Nah, I will forgive you for being happy with being middle to bottom dwellers of the "have-nots".

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EagleRockCafe Wrote:

GreenMississippi Wrote:If UAB fans had the choice of winning C*USA, or beating UAT/AU, without question it would be beating UAT/AU. USM fans would love a chance at UM/MSU, Houston/UTEP beating UT-Austin would do wonders. UCF over UF would be big news... Ask a Marshall fan if they'd give up their win over UWV for a C*USA championship. For the conference championship to matter the way we want it to matter, we gotta start beating our BCS rivals regularly (the ones that will play us).

Are you nuts? You think USM fans would give up a conference championship for a win over two bottom feeder SEC teams? USM has already proven themselves against those two teams. USM won five of the last seven against OM and ten of the last fourteen against MSU.
You play in a conference to win championships. It is no coincidence that it is the ECU, UAB and Memphis fans trying to say otherwise. Between those three teams that have a big
0 in championships.

It's interesting that the only people that are trying to downplay CUSA championships are the fans of schools that have never won one.

I'm not down playing it at all. I think it sucks that we haven't won a championship since we've been in the league.

Here's the difference ECU fans. Wins over BCS programs are great, but they represent success in one game. Championships represent success sustained throughout an entire season.

fsquid Wrote:

Quote:USM's win over NCState did nothing for USM. USM playing Houston in the championship game meant far more than beating an ACC bottom feeder this year.

you aren't comparing Apples to Apples in your statement. NC State is a big deal to them because they are an hour down the road. Replace NC State with Mississippi (a bottom feeder SEC team) and I don't think your statement is still factual. I think there is a good portion of the USM fanbase that would rather beat up on Mississippi than be C-USA champions.

Who would care if we beat up on either of those patsies? Quite frankly, we would be expected to run them off the field.